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<blockquote data-quote="MadDawg" data-source="post: 1170659" data-attributes="member: 11627"><p>hensch-</p><p>you see it your way and that fine. nullification isnt going to be anymore valid in these times as back when it was attempted for the civil war. Yes the two were dead but their 'ground breaking' work was attempted to be used again and it died. Try reading about Madison's later years where he is against any attempt by South Carolina to revive nullification in 1832.</p><p></p><p>Now let us ask the basic question- what did the two state's resolutions actually do? Dis any other states follow suit? Did our long term Constitutional system change?</p><p></p><p>No sir, they did not. Nullification is D-E=D dead. Like in Arkansas, a state MAY say anything, but the feds trump any attempt to rewrite federal law at the state level and in the end the fed wins.</p><p></p><p>And if you look at our history, in times of war and national crisis the government and people have gone along with various restrictions placed on the general population. (even BushII liked that concept) The alien and sedition act was dropped because the crisis as such passed. </p><p></p><p>GTG and red-</p><p></p><p>nit picking are we? I used the Prohibition one to show the quick version, but the amendments have been truncated and modified for quite awhile.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the 2nd A has a better chance of being dropped than the 'defense of marriage' has of being passed. ratification will be the sticking point but as we all see the number of men enducted into the service, the voluntary programs that introduce young people to the safe and fun use of firearms pales compared to the gun violence splashed on TV 24/7.</p><p></p><p>I am not saying this is going to happen overnite, too many like me have to die off first. more urbanization still needs to occur.</p><p></p><p>But the long term trends are not in gun ownership favor. I see a carrot and stick approach. give some ground on what maybe owned and amend the 2nd A to be strictly by registered owners without a right for private ownership without permission.</p><p></p><p>Scoff if you want, but the fundimentalist trend to restrict individual rights in other areas can easily open the door to restrict rights we kind of like.</p><p></p><p>I'd much rather see the traditional trend to open individual rights that are guaranteed by the US Government, than purely state guarantees that would still have us seperate but equal.</p><p></p><p>except to puff up on the Interwebz being cocky over the 2nd A is not useful. NO Amendment is safe from repeal and we should remember that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MadDawg, post: 1170659, member: 11627"] hensch- you see it your way and that fine. nullification isnt going to be anymore valid in these times as back when it was attempted for the civil war. Yes the two were dead but their 'ground breaking' work was attempted to be used again and it died. Try reading about Madison's later years where he is against any attempt by South Carolina to revive nullification in 1832. Now let us ask the basic question- what did the two state's resolutions actually do? Dis any other states follow suit? Did our long term Constitutional system change? No sir, they did not. Nullification is D-E=D dead. Like in Arkansas, a state MAY say anything, but the feds trump any attempt to rewrite federal law at the state level and in the end the fed wins. And if you look at our history, in times of war and national crisis the government and people have gone along with various restrictions placed on the general population. (even BushII liked that concept) The alien and sedition act was dropped because the crisis as such passed. GTG and red- nit picking are we? I used the Prohibition one to show the quick version, but the amendments have been truncated and modified for quite awhile. I'd say the 2nd A has a better chance of being dropped than the 'defense of marriage' has of being passed. ratification will be the sticking point but as we all see the number of men enducted into the service, the voluntary programs that introduce young people to the safe and fun use of firearms pales compared to the gun violence splashed on TV 24/7. I am not saying this is going to happen overnite, too many like me have to die off first. more urbanization still needs to occur. But the long term trends are not in gun ownership favor. I see a carrot and stick approach. give some ground on what maybe owned and amend the 2nd A to be strictly by registered owners without a right for private ownership without permission. Scoff if you want, but the fundimentalist trend to restrict individual rights in other areas can easily open the door to restrict rights we kind of like. I'd much rather see the traditional trend to open individual rights that are guaranteed by the US Government, than purely state guarantees that would still have us seperate but equal. except to puff up on the Interwebz being cocky over the 2nd A is not useful. NO Amendment is safe from repeal and we should remember that. [/QUOTE]
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