OKC police officer slams old guy unconscious

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I was’t going to respond to this thread; but since it has remained on the forum for so long; so, I decided to settle the issues brought forward in discussion.
1) The subject touched the officer.
2) Subject description: elderly male very possibly into his eighth decade; short stature; endomorphic physique with probable arthritic degeneration of the cervical spine causing neck stiffness indicated by moderate kyphosis and probable bilateral limitation in lateral rotation; gait appeared stable but stiff.
3) The officer responded technically within the confines of the law. However, his assessment of the nature of the escalating agitation of the subject and force he employed to maintain control of the situation certainly exceeded that which would have been sufficient on two levels. First, a signature on a summons for a traffic violation is not mandatory unless there are unresolved issues outstanding and in need of further investigation. An arrest for refusal to sign is optional at the officer’s discretion. His demand for a signature and threat to arrest for failure to sign were evidence that the situation had drifted into a battle of wills. The fact that the summons was ready for the subject’s signature indicates that the requisite information had already been obtained from the subjects driver’s license and other documents. Second, the subject’s physical condition posed absolutely no threat to the officer. A step back and warning to caution the elderly subject would have been the next appropriate step. There was something amiss in the officer’s ability to assess the overall situation.
4) Qualification for employment as an OKC Police Officer requires a minimum (4) College Degree, Completion of Police Academy and acceptance after passing Probationary Period under the supervision of experienced Officers. Police Academy training includes information pertaining to assessing the various factors related to subject behavior which include: age; sex; race; ethnicity; language; medical, developmental, psychological, emotional, issues subsequent to the effects of illicit drugs, alcohol, prescription medications, and/or issues related or suggesting criminal activity or intoxication as well as shock, confusion or agitation following accidents, trauma, injury or death of a loved one or friend, weather exposure or other factors. Police work is dangerous, complex demanding profession that requires intelligence, intuition, good judgement courage and integrity.
5) Officer performance: The officer employed far more physical force than needed to maintain situational control. He failed to assess and recognize the nature of the subject’s agitation which (aside from the traumatic experience of a vehicular accident) was in all probability related to a degenerative neurocognitive deficit related to his advanced age coupled with perceived disrespect from a much younger person. In short, he failed to appropriately assess and cope with the subject’s behavior and acted inappropriately. One is compelled to ask the question as to how he might handle a near term pregnant woman whom had just seen her husband beaten to death by a thugs by drug cartel gangsters.
6) Conclusion: The officer was not guilty of criminal behavior as he acted within the confines of the law. His take down and arrest were executed perfectly, but despite his enormous physical advantage and fast response, he made no visible attempt to prevent the subject’s skull from impacting the ground. If I was evaluating the incident and the officer’s performance, I would terminate his employment The subject he arrested posed no greater threat than dry leaves blowing by his jackboots on a gentle spring breeze.
 

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Just looked at the video again & it appears he tried to hold the guys arms up (end of takedown) to help ease the fall. Looks like he tried to catch him toward the end. I bet he was surprised/realized how easily the guy went down right at the end. Watch in slow motion
 
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The suspect placed hands on the police officer. All of you ding dongs saying he shouldn’t have taken the man down need to go be a cop. The guy bought the ticket and he got the ride. If he would’ve sig ed the citation and let the cop do his job it wouldn’t have happened…..end of story.
 

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The suspect placed hands on the police officer. All of you ding dongs saying he shouldn’t have taken the man down need to go be a cop. The guy bought the ticket and he got the ride. If he would’ve sig ed the citation and let the cop do his job it wouldn’t have happened…..end of story.
No one here is saying that it was ok for Vu to make contact with the cop. It wasn’t. Most of us are saying that the cop’s response to that touch was too extreme. Most of us have the biggest issue not with the cop’s actions, but with the AG interjecting himself and not letting the process sort it out. The precedent being set there is concerning.
 
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No one here is saying that it was ok for Vu to make contact with the cop. It wasn’t. Most of us are saying that the cop’s response to that touch was too extreme. Most of us have the biggest issue not with the cop’s actions, but with the AG interjecting himself and not letting the process sort it out. The precedent being set there is concerning.

The AG did the right thing and if you can't sort out why go back and read the applicable Oklahoma Statute it clearly defines why the officer was within the law. Allowing the officer to be prosecuted by a botched IA investigation and a woke DA would set a bad precedent.

If they would have been allowed to have the green light for a prosecution we would be like a lot blue states in very little time at all which have done similar things in the past. Every dreg in this state would be trying to use the precedent set when they're arrested by a cop.

The old man created his own misery, the cop will be fired in the end run and that is as it should be. Everyone learned a lesson. The old man can learn English and mood / anger management when he gets out of the hospital, and the cop can get a job at hobby lobby or some place similar where he won't have to make use of force judgement calls.
 

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I think I get it now. Police officers are nothing more than Maslow's Hammer.



That's why we have police officers killing law abiding citizens in their own homes over $200 weed eaters. After all, if they didn't want to die, they shouldn't live in homes! :disappoin
Also why more and more law-abiding citizens are considering defunding police forces.
The AG did the right thing and if you can't sort out why go back and read the applicable Oklahoma Statute it clearly defines why the officer was within the law. Allowing the officer to be prosecuted by a botched IA investigation and a woke DA would set a bad precedent.

If they would have been allowed to have the green light for a prosecution we would be like a lot blue states in very little time at all which have done similar things in the past. Every dreg in this state would be trying to use the precedent set when they're arrested by a cop.

The old man created his own misery, the cop will be fired in the end run and that is as it should be. Everyone learned a lesson. The old man can learn English and mood / anger management when he gets out of the hospital, and the cop can get a job at hobby lobby or some place similar where he won't have to make use of force judgement calls.
How many other languages have you learned as an adult? There are damn few people who can pick up another language easily. Don't know about you , but I'm not one of them. I've been trying to learn Spanish since the 6th grade. Have also tried to learn German, Turkish, and Arabic. Quite unsuccessfully. Best time in most people's lives to learn a language is from Birth to age 3.
 

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Using terms and sayings like "put hands on", "bought the ticket" sounds like use of language to change perception of the reality of the situation. A simple calm down or just turning him around and cuffing would suffice. A slam in anyway is unnecessary. If that's training they need to be retrained to use appropriate force.
 
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In this case it doesn't really matter if the officer was or was not "within the law",,,
If he truly felt he was justified in a hard takedown of a very old man,,,
He isn't the type of person I want on any police force.

He should be fired,,,
And our AG should be slapped.

I hope the old man's family finds a "shark" lawyer,,,
And sues the living chit out of that cop.

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The AG did the right thing and if you can't sort out why go back and read the applicable Oklahoma Statute it clearly defines why the officer was within the law. Allowing the officer to be prosecuted by a botched IA investigation and a woke DA would set a bad precedent.

If they would have been allowed to have the green light for a prosecution we would be like a lot blue states in very little time at all which have done similar things in the past. Every dreg in this state would be trying to use the precedent set when they're arrested by a cop.

The old man created his own misery, the cop will be fired in the end run and that is as it should be. Everyone learned a lesson. The old man can learn English and mood / anger management when he gets out of the hospital, and the cop can get a job at hobby lobby or some place similar where he won't have to make use of force judgement calls.
You’re still talking out of both sides of your mouth. The cop did nothing wrong, but will be fired for what he did.

To say that the IA investigation was “botched” just shows that you disagree with their findings.

Why not let a grand jury decide if prosecuting the cop is the right thing to do?

As far as the DA being woke: based on her prior actions, she apparently has no problem dismissing charges against cops because she’s done it multiple times already.
 
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