OKC police officer slams old guy unconscious

[JR777]

Again an armchair quarterback,

Stand the watch then report back.

So what you're saying then is you believe cops are above the law? I just explained to you the myriad reasons why this is assault at best, under the law we all have to follow, including cops, and why your argument doesn't hold water in a court of law, and yet you persist in your assertion that non cops shouldn't be able to hold cops accountable? Let me tell you who aren't cops:

Prosecutors
Judges
The millions of US soldiers who have died in combat to preserve our republic so we don't have to live under the tyranny you're championing here

What you're asserting is the status quo in totalitarian communist states like North Korea and China. We here in the US have the RIGHT to hold our government accountable, which means non cops have the RIGHT to hold cops accountable under the letter of the law. Don't like it? I hear Russia is taking applications.

 

[JR777]

Nope....the cops that falsified it were cleared from any wrongdoing. IIRC the boyfriend was listed as her cause of death by the judge because he shot at the "intruders" who fired back and killed her. There was a push to try to make the people that falsified information that resulted in the no-knock being issued, but a judge said "no, they're cops, so obviously they can't be held responsible --- it wasn't that they were there based on the lies, it's that the boyfriend tried to defend them!".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/25/us/breonna-taylor-raid-charges-dismissed/index.html

Remember, our "right" to bear arms has now been confirmed to only be a mild suggestion. Because as soon as the cops can see, think, claim, or otherwise have any notion that you have a gun (which is supposed to be your legal, constitutional right) they can murder you in the street or even your own bed.

I'm not familiar with the case, but yes if the cops could be shown to have knowingly falsified the affidavit for the warrant then they would be guilty of premeditated murder. But if it was an honest mistake then no. If it was a mistake that shouldn't have been made, but still a mistake (like they were found to be intoxicated while filling out paper work or something), then manslaughter.

 

[JR777]

Dishonest??

That's quite the stretch



I said id before the officer went overboard, but this could have been avoided altogether if the clown hadn't acted like a azzhat.


Anyhow I am going to let this one die. I don't have a dog in the fight just thought some of the blame should go on the moron that escalated it to begin with.

have a nice day yall.

That's the old "your honor I wouldn't have had to push her down the stairs if she hadn't disrespected me" defense.

NOBODY, leastwise cops, are permitted under the law to "overreact." Self defense pleas are uniform throughout the entire western world, and have been longer than anyone can remember. You're allowed to use a reasonable amount of force based on the knowledge you had at the time.

When you say the officer "went overboard" you are saying he's guilty. What you don't get is you're admitting he's guilty, and then saying you don't think he should be held accountable despite having broken the law (and a man's neck).

Lethal force is not a legal response to a "clown acting like an azzhat." In fact, acting like an azzhat is a longstanding, constitutionally protected right in this country.

 

[TedKennedy]

So what you're saying then is you believe cops are above the law? I just explained to you the myriad reasons why this is assault at best, under the law we all have to follow, including cops, and why your argument doesn't hold water in a court of law, and yet you persist in your assertion that non cops shouldn't be able to hold cops accountable? Let me tell you who aren't cops:

Prosecutors
Judges
The millions of US soldiers who have died in combat to preserve our republic so we don't have to live under the tyranny you're championing here

What you're asserting is the status quo in totalitarian communist states like North Korea and China. We here in the US have the RIGHT to hold our government accountable, which means non cops have the RIGHT to hold cops accountable under the letter of the law. Don't like it? I hear Russia is taking applications.

No, what he's saying is your disapproval of bully cops is invalid because you haven't been a cop.

That's as relevant as saying we shouldn't judge Biden's actions on the border wall as idiotic because we haven't been president.

 

[golddigger14s]

A former police officer turned attorney plans to file a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of a 71-year-old man injured during an altercation with Oklahoma City police.

 

[elwoodtrix]

A former police officer turned attorney plans to file a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of a 71-year-old man injured during an altercation with Oklahoma City police.

https://kfor.com/news/local/promine...ney-takes-up-lich-vu-case-lawsuit-on-the-way/

some of the article

“When your own police department says this is, you know, unlawful and you need to be prosecuted, I kind of think that’s where it starts and ends,” said Jacob.

Oklahoma Attorney General Gentner Drummond disagreed with that call, deciding in late December to drop the felony assault and battery charge filed against Gibson. Drummond said that Gibson acted within the scope of his training and that Vu shouldn’t have put his hands on him. Behenna said that she was surprised and disappointed Drummond had taken the case away from her office.

Jacob said he reviewed the video of the incident and also showed it to other individuals who did not have law enforcement backgrounds, receiving similar reactions of shock. He says it’s unusual for an attorney general to step over an elected official in this case.


“I’ve done this for 22 years and I cannot remember a single time when I’ve seen the attorney general do what this attorney general did; and it’s my understanding it’s not the first time. It’s highly suspect. It’s very unusual.”

 

[TedKennedy]

https://www.koco.com/article/oklaho...-use-of-force-71-year-old-sgt-gibson/63365157

 

[Camo]

No, what he's saying is your disapproval of bully cops is invalid because you haven't been a cop.

That's as relevant as saying we shouldn't judge Biden's actions on the border wall as idiotic because we haven't been president.

Absolutely wrong. Biden was never faced with possible life or death situation getting out of hand over the wall. Your being ridiculous.

I said it since the start, He went beyond what was needed.



My point is its hard to know what the situation was unless you were there, and the old man was the root cause .


Sucks now because he is gong to get paid for being a moron thanks to a cop over reacting.

Anyhow i said my peace. Just trying to make sure to put some of the blame for this whole thing going south on the old man because he (like most people now day) has zero respect for the law.

I have no reason to point out the obvious any longer. .

 

[Rez Exelon]

Absolutely wrong. Biden was never faced with possible life or death situation getting out of hand over the wall. Your being ridiculous.

I said it since the start, He went beyond what was needed.



My point is its hard to know what the situation was unless you were there, and the old man was the root cause .


Sucks now because he is gong to get paid for being a moron thanks to a cop over reacting.

Anyhow i said my peace. Just trying to make sure to put some of the blame for this whole thing going south on the old man because he (like most people now day) has zero respect for the law.

I have no reason to point out the obvious any longer. .

So, your main point is that WE can't know what the situation was without being there but YOU also KNOW that the old man was the root cause. Seems to be some contradiction in that sentence. Were YOU there? If you were not there then how do you know that the old man was the root cause?

 

[-Pjackso]

3) ... Second, the subject’s physical condition posed absolutely no threat to the officer. A step back and warning to caution the elderly subject would have been the next appropriate step. There was something amiss in the officer’s ability to assess the overall situation.

Excellent write-up!
This right here (bolded) seems most relevant.

Technically the officer was in the right.
But given 'context', I think he made a bad call.