OKC police officer slams old guy unconscious

[Dmc707]

I don't believe race had a thing to do with it. If that had been anyone (anyone the cop felt confident in attacking) he'd have acted the same way.

As long as it was someone he could manhandle and feel like "the boss" it would have been the same.

I also do not believe the myth that police are racist -- i think they are equal opportunity - im a conservative white early 50's male and i wholeheartedly believe that if i was popping off and pushing and shoving - i would get "told twice" - or tazed - etc,

That said , i was served with papers several months ago by several members of our local LEO -- when asked to exit my vehicle , i stood - legs spread, hands clasped in front of me and kept most of my responses to Yes, No and Thank You - at no time did i ever feel threatened under the circumstances

However regarding the elderly, -- i think additional training should be in order on how to deal with older folks who are cranky or out of it - we've all got mean older relatives (maybe some of them post here on OSA ?) - but definitely dont want to see them injured

 

[Rez Exelon]

I also do not believe the myth that police are racist -- i think they are equal opportunity - im a conservative white early 50's male and i wholeheartedly believe that if i was popping off and pushing and shoving - i would get "told twice" - or tazed - etc,

That said , i was served with papers several months ago by several members of our local LEO -- when asked to exit my vehicle , i stood - legs spread, hands clasped in front of me and kept most of my responses to Yes, No and Thank You - at no time did i ever feel threatened under the circumstances

However regarding the elderly, -- i think additional training should be in order on how to deal with older folks who are cranky or out of it - we've all got mean older relatives (maybe some of them post here on OSA ?) - but definitely dont want to see them injured

I don't know. I think it'd be hilarious if some of the angry old coots here on OSA got pulled over and got to have experiences like this. That'd be a great experiment to see if those old codgers really abide the way they say they do when faced with the BS that gets pulled on people these days.

 

[sumoj275]

Here is my thing, a physical specimen like the officer could have dealt with this better. I agree that LEO should be trained in special situation circumstances with the elderly, mentally unstable, and the homeless whom are more than likely a combination of the three I mentioned. What needs to happen is better training, dismissal of those who cover for others, and judicial judgement of those LEO’s who break the law without intrusion of the AG or family ties. How can the public trust our judicial system, the LEO that is hired to do the job, or any facet of it if there is not accountability? There can’t be…until there is change.

 

[Snattlerake]

Ask, tell, make. The make was a bit overdone. I think the officer had had his fill of this fella, and possibly had other things on his mind and underestimated his strength against the fella.

It reminds me of a trooper in Kansas working US54 between Wichita and Dodge City. Garden City and Dodge City were widespread with Asians due to the large meat factories and cowlots in both cities. He was telling me after about a week of stopping speeders, 90% were of Asian persuasion. He said he had about had his fill of no speekee Engrish and admitted he had a chip on his shoulder when he made the stop of a 70 in a 55 then once again was greeted by another Asian driver. Trooper V. said that's when I screwed the pooch. I said before anything greeting, explanation, or anything else "I suppose you don't speak any Effin Engrish either!"

The reply was, "Yes I do, as a matter of fact, I teach it."

 

[okcBob]

Ok, I haven’t read all the old posts, So I guess everyone is in agreement that the cop was not at fault?

 

[Hooper]

To ring in the NEw Years, i met some buddies at the local motocross track and had a lovely accident that resulted in a separated shoulder, cracked collarbone and was slightly concussed

-- I'm 23 years younger than this lady - and while not a "gym specimen" - keep myself fit enough to do my sports and hobbies --

And my experience with my injury was (and still is) a royal bitch . I cannot imagine having to go through this at that woman's age -- she should be enjoying time with her grandchildren for petes sake

Glad the officers resigned at least

Getting your shoulder ripped out of socket in a bike wreck is similar to being consistently poked in the eye with a little more violence and pain. It is something that will stay with you for the rest of your life in more ways than one for sure.
Those type of injuries kill a lot of people who ride. In severe body slams on your shoulder your ribs will break and go thru your lungs to your heart. A puncture to the Heart and it is over in about 10 minutes. A lung puncture you may not know till you spit blood, due to the other pains you will be experiencing. Happens a lot on bicycle accidents to when hit by a vehicle out on the road. That is what I learned from a Doc, while I was laying in a Hospital Bed after being hit from behind at a stop sign on a motorcycle. It was a few days for me before the blood came out cause I could not cough from the pain. Also there ain't Nothin like a 400 mile ride back to the house, in a 3/4 ton pickup with busted ribs and a crushed shoulder either. Guess I need to toughen up a little. Doc said one more inch from the jagged rib and they would have sent the hearse not the ambulance. It happened in 2017 and not a day goes by now that it don't cross my mind.

Bottom line I feel your pain from your shoulder all the way over here, brother. I Hope you gained good function back to your arm. Do not rush recovery but do try to keep it moving after you get it out of a sling. It is a very slow heal and it will tear easily.

 

[BillM]

I mean, I'd be a lot more pro-LEO if they handled business. The saying is "A few bad apples spoil the bunch" and you literally cannot tell me that the "good" cops don't know who the "bad" cops are. Instead of ever getting rid of them, they lie, cover, look away, and magically don't know anything except how to back "their brothers" 100%. That same mentality of blind support is what we see here in this tread.

I mean OBVIOUSLY that old dude was the most dangerous threat the cop had ever encountered. OBVIOUSLY. But "even if" he wasn't we can see that this thread is full of enablers that are 100% onboard with that cop. I mean, if the old frail on the edge of death TERRORIST THREAT dude who visciously and remorselessly assaulted him had not been that then one might reasonably conclude that it was a crap cop backed by a crap union and a crap AG and covered for by other crap cops. That wouldn't happen. Cops are the best and better than us. Just look, they get 10% discounts at most businesses because they are 10% better right?

Plus, since none of the "good cops" are really speaking out to get rid of this guy, then obviously he can't be a bad guy, because if the good ones leave a bad one in, that'd spoil the bunch. And a spoiled bunch that's not respected by the public wouldn't make their jobs easier after all.

Think it was Joseph Wambaugh who said that "good" cops who know who the "bad" cops are and does nothing about it are bad cops.

 

[crrcboatz]

I don't know. I think it'd be hilarious if some of the angry old coots here on OSA got pulled over and got to have experiences like this. That'd be a great experiment to see if those old codgers really abide the way they say they do when faced with the BS that gets pulled on people these days.

I dare say most of us old codgers know better than to be pulled over We work harder than the avg person with our driving and driving habits

I’ve not been pulled over or stopped by any law enforcement since 1995. Why because I work at driving safely. Old folks don’t want to have their driving privileges taken from them.
That said I have EVERY right to be treated with respect and not have my dignity violated. That IS BIBLICAL.
Today’s cops are far more challenged by a public that carries less respect for everyone. That said you cannot convince me people 65 and older are a part of that. For 99% of old folks we are probably the last generation that was taught RESPECT. Law enforcement officers DO INDEED training on how to deal with us. That however does not include being thrown to the ground, given a concussion, and being in the hospital for any time because rogue cops are poorly trained or do not have the dispossession for the job. Bad teachers, bad cops, bad public servants need to be weeded out and sent packing

 

[Dale00]

It appears that the legislature has established extra penalties for harming the elderly (over age 62). Of course such concerns are no worry to law enforcement. Maybe some additional legislation is needed to protect the elderly from the police. I guess the police union and Gentner Drummon would oppose it.

"...the Elderly and Incapacitated Victim’s Protection Program serves as a catch-all for enhanced penalties for offenses against the elderly. If the following crimes are committed against an adult aged 62 or older or an “incapacitated person,” the defendant will face more serious penalties than if the same offense was committed against an able-bodied person under the age of 62 (22 O.S. § 991a-16):

1. Assault, battery, or assault and battery with a dangerous weapon;
2. Aggravated assault and battery;
3. Burglary in the second degree;
4. Use of a firearm or offensive weapon to commit or attempt to commit a felony, or pointing a firearm;
5. Grand larceny;
6. Extortion, or obtaining a signature by extortion;
7. Fraud, or obtaining or attempting to obtain property by trick or deception;
8. Embezzlement; or
9. Caretaker abuse, neglect or exploitation.

Enhanced penalties under this program include a mandatory minimum period of incarceration, restitution (plus 12% interest), property seizure, community service, and “a fine or any other penalty otherwise provided by law.”

Repeat offenses against the elderly are subject to increased prison terms—up to 20 years in prison for a third offense." https://www.ok-criminal-defense.com/crimes-against-the-elderly

 

[okcBob]

It appears that the legislature has established extra penalties for harming the elderly (over age 62). Of course such concerns are no worry to law enforcement. Maybe some additional legislation is needed to protect the elderly from the police. I guess the police union and Gentner Drummon would oppose it.

"...the Elderly and Incapacitated Victim’s Protection Program serves as a catch-all for enhanced penalties for offenses against the elderly. If the following crimes are committed against an adult aged 62 or older or an “incapacitated person,” the defendant will face more serious penalties than if the same offense was committed against an able-bodied person under the age of 62 (22 O.S. § 991a-16):

1. Assault, battery, or assault and battery with a dangerous weapon;
2. Aggravated assault and battery;
3. Burglary in the second degree;
4. Use of a firearm or offensive weapon to commit or attempt to commit a felony, or pointing a firearm;
5. Grand larceny;
6. Extortion, or obtaining a signature by extortion;
7. Fraud, or obtaining or attempting to obtain property by trick or deception;
8. Embezzlement; or
9. Caretaker abuse, neglect or exploitation.

Enhanced penalties under this program include a mandatory minimum period of incarceration, restitution (plus 12% interest), property seizure, community service, and “a fine or any other penalty otherwise provided by law.”

Repeat offenses against the elderly are subject to increased prison terms—up to 20 years in prison for a third offense." https://www.ok-criminal-defense.com/crimes-against-the-elderly

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