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<blockquote data-quote="donner" data-source="post: 4014145" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>lol. Cyclists pay taxes and many own cars. Not every project is funded by the gas tax, especially local roads. Bikes, which can easily cost thousands, if not 10s of thousands, are also taxed at a higher rate than cars.</p><p></p><p>And it's not 'regardless of what kind of small rocks or trash may be there'. The law in Oklahoma City says (amongst other things)</p><p></p><p>"(c)When riding on roadways with designated bicycle lanes, the bicycle operator shall ride within the bicycle lane, except when: (1)overtaking or passing another bicycle, vehicle or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if such overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane;(2)preparing for a turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or <em>(3)necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions</em>."</p><p></p><p>The state law includes: "e. any time it is unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway;"</p><p></p><p>If a lane is too cluttered, or damaged, etc, it can be unsafe to ride in. Some cities are great at building a lane, but terrible about common sense and often leave drainage grates that have openings that run parallel to the lane, creating a very dangerous situation for people on narrow bike tires. All that to say, there are a number of reasons why a rider might be in the roadway for extended distances.</p><p></p><p>One study years ago found that cyclists and drivers break traffic laws at a rate that is pretty even. And many states do recognize that bikes and cars aren't equal (yes, you can still have equal access to the roadway while still acknowledging that bikes and cars aren't equal. I've biked behind enough tractors driving down rural roads to know it happens for more than just bikes).</p><p></p><p>There is a concept that is often referred to as the "Idaho stop" which many states (including oklahoma) have started to adopt. It is based (correctly) on the reality that bikes interact better at stop signs when they can be treated (legally) as yield signs. If it's safe to proceed, the law allows bikes to slow, check and keep going. This is not only safer for the rider but also improves the flow of traffic behind the bike.</p><p></p><p>And really, after almost a decade of biking, i've come to realize that an ******* is an *******, regardless of whether they are on foot, on a bike or in a car.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donner, post: 4014145, member: 277"] lol. Cyclists pay taxes and many own cars. Not every project is funded by the gas tax, especially local roads. Bikes, which can easily cost thousands, if not 10s of thousands, are also taxed at a higher rate than cars. And it's not 'regardless of what kind of small rocks or trash may be there'. The law in Oklahoma City says (amongst other things) "(c)When riding on roadways with designated bicycle lanes, the bicycle operator shall ride within the bicycle lane, except when: (1)overtaking or passing another bicycle, vehicle or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if such overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane;(2)preparing for a turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or [I](3)necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions[/I]." The state law includes: "e. any time it is unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway;" If a lane is too cluttered, or damaged, etc, it can be unsafe to ride in. Some cities are great at building a lane, but terrible about common sense and often leave drainage grates that have openings that run parallel to the lane, creating a very dangerous situation for people on narrow bike tires. All that to say, there are a number of reasons why a rider might be in the roadway for extended distances. One study years ago found that cyclists and drivers break traffic laws at a rate that is pretty even. And many states do recognize that bikes and cars aren't equal (yes, you can still have equal access to the roadway while still acknowledging that bikes and cars aren't equal. I've biked behind enough tractors driving down rural roads to know it happens for more than just bikes). There is a concept that is often referred to as the "Idaho stop" which many states (including oklahoma) have started to adopt. It is based (correctly) on the reality that bikes interact better at stop signs when they can be treated (legally) as yield signs. If it's safe to proceed, the law allows bikes to slow, check and keep going. This is not only safer for the rider but also improves the flow of traffic behind the bike. And really, after almost a decade of biking, i've come to realize that an ******* is an *******, regardless of whether they are on foot, on a bike or in a car. [/QUOTE]
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