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<blockquote data-quote="AllOut" data-source="post: 2002082" data-attributes="member: 12099"><p>Parks....</p><p>I think your missing the idea here.</p><p>Raising tag/lic prices keeps people from just flowing over to boarder. Yes I realize you come here from California to hunt so that would be a negative for you. Well the next part makes it even worse for you. But we are right next to Kansas who has great hunting, so good that I'd bet anyone on here I can put them on some KS public land that would rival the best private land we have here in OK. With that, why have the majority of Okies and most everyone on this board never taken a short drive up north to hunt? It's because it ain't cheep, $390 just to hunt one deer. But that's not the only reason.</p><p>Next, the "worse" part...</p><p>What we should do, Draw in only and not just draw in but you can only draw a buck tag once every 3 years and that's not guaranteed. Kansas is draw in only for non res, and used to be draw in only for residents til 2008. It still is with rifle but residents can buy OTC archery tags. But you can draw in every year there. Unlike Iowa and Saskachewan which is every 3 years.</p><p>Now what does this do? First look at how many non res lic we sell a year (I have no idea). Let's say it's 4000 at $225 a pop ($900k). Set a cap on non res tags at 2250 a year at $400 ($900k). State makes same money plus there is normally a $25ish nonrefundable charge just to apply, so we would make money off that. </p><p></p><p>This is what we gain....</p><p>State makes same or more money, plus we lesson the amount on nonresident hunters. That in turn means less bucks killed buy them, less hunting pressure by them, less lease and competition from them.</p><p>Sounds like a win for us?</p><p></p><p>And finally the big rich Texans....</p><p>It's not the rich guys we have to worry so much about, they can afford to stay on the other side if the Red and do. That's why the prices are so high there. The guys we fight most with are the normal average Joe that can't afford to compete with Big Rich Texas guys so they come here and hunt cause it's cheep. Those guys buy, lease whatever. But most those guys won't tie up a property or waiste money buying land they know they will only get to hunt once every 3 years at most. As far as them putting up a chicken coup and claimg a residence, ya I'm sure that might happen here and there. But just like everything else, the majority of people will try and do the right (legal) thing. </p><p></p><p>Sorry for the long post but to touch on a couple other points you made.</p><p>Me not liking them raising 2x or 3x resident tags prices. Won't matter to me cause mine are covered for the rest if my life. That's not saying I want them to do it though.</p><p></p><p>As far as me personally, I'm never in competition for spots. Like Dennis said earlier, some of us are blessed with good spots. I hunt all over Oklahoma, some on family land, some leased, some I own and some I make deals with for hunting rights (I trade the hay rights of my place). I also bow hunt Kansas, I lived there for a few years with a buddy and got my lifetime while I was there. So I now hunt as a resident for life. Plus a new venture as if this year is Mexico. Starting next year the majority of my hunting will be south of the Rio Grande. </p><p>Don't take that as bragging please, and you are probably sitting there thing "why does this guy even give a chit about OK then?" It's simple, this is my home. It's where my family and friends are and I have a lot of respect and pride in my home state. I would really love to see my home be blessed with great hunting and be able to share that with my fellow Okies. AND to not have that blessing trampled on and taken advantage of buy people who arnt from here and didn't put in the effort or work to build it up to what it can become.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllOut, post: 2002082, member: 12099"] Parks.... I think your missing the idea here. Raising tag/lic prices keeps people from just flowing over to boarder. Yes I realize you come here from California to hunt so that would be a negative for you. Well the next part makes it even worse for you. But we are right next to Kansas who has great hunting, so good that I'd bet anyone on here I can put them on some KS public land that would rival the best private land we have here in OK. With that, why have the majority of Okies and most everyone on this board never taken a short drive up north to hunt? It's because it ain't cheep, $390 just to hunt one deer. But that's not the only reason. Next, the "worse" part... What we should do, Draw in only and not just draw in but you can only draw a buck tag once every 3 years and that's not guaranteed. Kansas is draw in only for non res, and used to be draw in only for residents til 2008. It still is with rifle but residents can buy OTC archery tags. But you can draw in every year there. Unlike Iowa and Saskachewan which is every 3 years. Now what does this do? First look at how many non res lic we sell a year (I have no idea). Let's say it's 4000 at $225 a pop ($900k). Set a cap on non res tags at 2250 a year at $400 ($900k). State makes same money plus there is normally a $25ish nonrefundable charge just to apply, so we would make money off that. This is what we gain.... State makes same or more money, plus we lesson the amount on nonresident hunters. That in turn means less bucks killed buy them, less hunting pressure by them, less lease and competition from them. Sounds like a win for us? And finally the big rich Texans.... It's not the rich guys we have to worry so much about, they can afford to stay on the other side if the Red and do. That's why the prices are so high there. The guys we fight most with are the normal average Joe that can't afford to compete with Big Rich Texas guys so they come here and hunt cause it's cheep. Those guys buy, lease whatever. But most those guys won't tie up a property or waiste money buying land they know they will only get to hunt once every 3 years at most. As far as them putting up a chicken coup and claimg a residence, ya I'm sure that might happen here and there. But just like everything else, the majority of people will try and do the right (legal) thing. Sorry for the long post but to touch on a couple other points you made. Me not liking them raising 2x or 3x resident tags prices. Won't matter to me cause mine are covered for the rest if my life. That's not saying I want them to do it though. As far as me personally, I'm never in competition for spots. Like Dennis said earlier, some of us are blessed with good spots. I hunt all over Oklahoma, some on family land, some leased, some I own and some I make deals with for hunting rights (I trade the hay rights of my place). I also bow hunt Kansas, I lived there for a few years with a buddy and got my lifetime while I was there. So I now hunt as a resident for life. Plus a new venture as if this year is Mexico. Starting next year the majority of my hunting will be south of the Rio Grande. Don't take that as bragging please, and you are probably sitting there thing "why does this guy even give a chit about OK then?" It's simple, this is my home. It's where my family and friends are and I have a lot of respect and pride in my home state. I would really love to see my home be blessed with great hunting and be able to share that with my fellow Okies. AND to not have that blessing trampled on and taken advantage of buy people who arnt from here and didn't put in the effort or work to build it up to what it can become. [/QUOTE]
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