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<blockquote data-quote="RedTape" data-source="post: 856643" data-attributes="member: 66"><p>Really, I didn't realize you knew every police SOP in the country. I know of departments where that is not the case. Less lethal options are to be used first in certain situations whereas a 78 year old CCW holder would be justified in using his firearm. There is a difference in the training and tools available to an officer than that of other citizens. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you're lumping all situations together, not allowing for individual circumstances. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't even know what to say to this. I have yet to encounter a situation in my experience with the department where officers didn't respond. Whether there was one officer available of the entire shift. If there is a physical domestic in progress, a man with a gun, ADW just occurred, whatever, we are going.</p><p></p><p>A citizen isn't going to call for backup before entering a dangerous situation. They are going to leave. </p><p></p><p>We serve search/arrest warrants. If they resist, we aren't "backing out." Police put themselves in dangerous situations everyday. Trying to say they operate under the same circumstances as other citizens is simply ignorant. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, but then again citizens aren't serving warrants, breaking up fights, arresting criminals, etc. etc. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I completely agree. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>200+ years? People open carried guns well into the 1900s throughout the US. Just because politicians and lawmakers want to control every facet of society (and have a history of trying to do just that) doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean the majority of the population wants it. Who are you to say I'm too irresponsible to open carry a firearm? If that's the case you can't honestly support concealed carry because there is NO training involved in the class-you aren't even required to hit the target. People get their license and have never even shot a gun before that day. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's rational. Lets compare a law abiding citizen or a police officer who is carrying a handgun OWB under a jacket to corrupt third-world government.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. It's not a fashion statement and it is a responsibility, however, saying that concealed carry is responsible and open carry isn't just doesn't hold water. There are too many variables. </p><p></p><p>Again, I would like to see any statistics/documented cases where a citizen has been targeted or attacked where open carry was the direct cause.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it can't happen, and as I've posted earlier, it's going to depend on the attacker and the circumstances. There are very few situations where I would open carry. However, I don't think that a possible risk justifies stripping citizens of a Constitutional right. What can I say. I guess I just like the idea of individual rights and responsibilities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RedTape, post: 856643, member: 66"] Really, I didn't realize you knew every police SOP in the country. I know of departments where that is not the case. Less lethal options are to be used first in certain situations whereas a 78 year old CCW holder would be justified in using his firearm. There is a difference in the training and tools available to an officer than that of other citizens. Again, you're lumping all situations together, not allowing for individual circumstances. I don't even know what to say to this. I have yet to encounter a situation in my experience with the department where officers didn't respond. Whether there was one officer available of the entire shift. If there is a physical domestic in progress, a man with a gun, ADW just occurred, whatever, we are going. A citizen isn't going to call for backup before entering a dangerous situation. They are going to leave. We serve search/arrest warrants. If they resist, we aren't "backing out." Police put themselves in dangerous situations everyday. Trying to say they operate under the same circumstances as other citizens is simply ignorant. No, but then again citizens aren't serving warrants, breaking up fights, arresting criminals, etc. etc. I completely agree. 200+ years? People open carried guns well into the 1900s throughout the US. Just because politicians and lawmakers want to control every facet of society (and have a history of trying to do just that) doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean the majority of the population wants it. Who are you to say I'm too irresponsible to open carry a firearm? If that's the case you can't honestly support concealed carry because there is NO training involved in the class-you aren't even required to hit the target. People get their license and have never even shot a gun before that day. That's rational. Lets compare a law abiding citizen or a police officer who is carrying a handgun OWB under a jacket to corrupt third-world government. Agreed. It's not a fashion statement and it is a responsibility, however, saying that concealed carry is responsible and open carry isn't just doesn't hold water. There are too many variables. Again, I would like to see any statistics/documented cases where a citizen has been targeted or attacked where open carry was the direct cause. I'm not saying it can't happen, and as I've posted earlier, it's going to depend on the attacker and the circumstances. There are very few situations where I would open carry. However, I don't think that a possible risk justifies stripping citizens of a Constitutional right. What can I say. I guess I just like the idea of individual rights and responsibilities. [/QUOTE]
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