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<blockquote data-quote="Jon1911" data-source="post: 877199" data-attributes="member: 4816"><p>CLEET is completely irrelevant for non-cops. All that is required is that the person fears for his/her life, or the life of another.</p><p></p><p>Learn the key words here:</p><p></p><p></p><p>In fact, some states have statutes that grant extremely broad self defense rights. Oklahoma is one of those states.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeid=69782" target="_blank">http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeid=69782</a></p><p></p><p>By the letter of that statute, a person could shoot a would-be intruder through the door/window if he/she believed a break-in was occurring. Because the statute includes vehicles, Oklahoma residents can legally fire at will at a stranger trying to open their passenger door.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, CLEET is completely irrelevant here. This statute offers extremely high deterrent value. Would-be burglars who know of this law, know that they may be shot though the window or door. That ought to make them think twice before creeping around houses at night.</p><p></p><p>Open-Carry would do the same thing. If you fear being a "target" it's no big deal, nobody is proposing mandatory open-carry for all OK residents, just revoking the law that makes it explicitly illegal. Take a look at other states before getting so uptight about it. It's not illegal to open-carry in Pennsylvania, but you don't exactly see half the population doing it all the time, it's actually quite rare. In fact, it's legal to carry in bars there too, and I'm pretty sure there are less drunken bar shootouts in PA than OK. When it comes to personal safety, government is never the answer.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The people that fear monger over open-carry are ridiculous, anyone who is a gun owner, and thinks that open-carry should be specifically prohibited by law needs a swift kick in the balls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jon1911, post: 877199, member: 4816"] CLEET is completely irrelevant for non-cops. All that is required is that the person fears for his/her life, or the life of another. Learn the key words here: In fact, some states have statutes that grant extremely broad self defense rights. Oklahoma is one of those states. [url]http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeid=69782[/url] By the letter of that statute, a person could shoot a would-be intruder through the door/window if he/she believed a break-in was occurring. Because the statute includes vehicles, Oklahoma residents can legally fire at will at a stranger trying to open their passenger door. Again, CLEET is completely irrelevant here. This statute offers extremely high deterrent value. Would-be burglars who know of this law, know that they may be shot though the window or door. That ought to make them think twice before creeping around houses at night. Open-Carry would do the same thing. If you fear being a "target" it's no big deal, nobody is proposing mandatory open-carry for all OK residents, just revoking the law that makes it explicitly illegal. Take a look at other states before getting so uptight about it. It's not illegal to open-carry in Pennsylvania, but you don't exactly see half the population doing it all the time, it's actually quite rare. In fact, it's legal to carry in bars there too, and I'm pretty sure there are less drunken bar shootouts in PA than OK. When it comes to personal safety, government is never the answer. The people that fear monger over open-carry are ridiculous, anyone who is a gun owner, and thinks that open-carry should be specifically prohibited by law needs a swift kick in the balls. [/QUOTE]
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