Oregon SB 501---Among other things it limits ammo acquisitons to only 20 rounds per month

[Tanis143]

Ah, gotcha. But that raises more questions...

Is it possession of more than 20 rounds, or acquiring more than 20 rounds at a time? All I have read is acquiring... which if so is it enforceable? How can the state of Oregon regulate what happens outside of its jurisdiction?

It seems to me like if I went to Texas and drove on their turnpike with the 85 mph speed limit at 85 mph, and OHP pulled me over as I crossed back into Oklahoma and wrote me a speeding ticket because Oklahoma residents aren't allowed to drive that fast. Does that make sense?

If it's possession then I guess you just cite anyone with more than 20 rounds in their possession, but I haven't heard it described that way so far. If possession of more than 20 rounds is legal, and you LEGALLY purchased more according to the laws where you purchased it, I really don't see how Oregon could prosecute that.

What a mess this would be. Not trying to argue with you, just trying to understand how this is supposed to work.

Oh I wholeheartedly agree its unenforceable outside of the state lines to a point. If you get caught coming back into the state with say 400 rounds of ammo you would have to prove that you had them previously and traveled with them. They at that point would probably slap charges of ammo smuggling on you (which of course would be a felony so you lose your 2A rights).

 

[Aries]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree its unenforceable outside of the state lines to a point. If you get caught coming back into the state with say 400 rounds of ammo you would have to prove that you had them previously and traveled with them. They at that point would probably slap charges of ammo smuggling on you (which of course would be a felony so you lose your 2A rights).

Prosecution then would have to be based on possession, and if you COULD prove you had them previously and traveled legally with them under ANY circumstance, possession itself is not illegal. If transporting more than 20 rounds across state lines is illegal, I could see that but haven't heard that either. I think I could shoot all kinds of holes in this law (pun intended), and I'm not even a lawyer or politician.

I can't really see this passing any kind of legal challenge at all, unless it is illegal to possess or import.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I don't see it as likely to pass, and definitely not to withstand legal tests unless there is more to it than just "acquiring".

 

[RugersGR8]

Not just the left coast.

https://www.thelibertyden.com/singl...mR-ojNzS67U8yWxAHy_4gVueaBrg63PIbNt-5eh0ze4qU

From RickN's post and the two items below, you can really tell that someone finally applied some "common sense", sat down and wrote something that would really put a halt to illegal guns & gang violence. (sarcasm on full blast)

6- (update 2/5/19) Establishes that public schools shall prohibit marksmanship and/or shooting programs. Bill A1007

7- (update 2/5/19)Relates to prohibiting firearms as prizes in any game of chance. (All the Gun and sporting Club drawing will be illegal) Bill A1413

 

[Dave70968]

Prosecution then would have to be based on possession, and if you COULD prove you had them previously and traveled legally with them under ANY circumstance, possession itself is not illegal. If transporting more than 20 rounds across state lines is illegal, I could see that but haven't heard that either. I think I could shoot all kinds of holes in this law (pun intended), and I'm not even a lawyer or politician.

I can't really see this passing any kind of legal challenge at all, unless it is illegal to possess or import.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I don't see it as likely to pass, and definitely not to withstand legal tests unless there is more to it than just "acquiring".

They can't restrict importation; interstate commerce is the sole purview of the feds. (Don't start on alcohol importation--that has a special provision in the 21st Amendment letting the states regulate it.) They can make it a ban on possession of more than a given quantity, but that's not what this bill does.

 

[Aries]

Interesting.

Has the bill actually been written yet? It sounds like it hasn't been thought out at all.

Appreciate the discussion about it. It's become very interesting to me now.