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<blockquote data-quote="Jefpainthorse" data-source="post: 1371710" data-attributes="member: 11766"><p>Like I said... I am going from memory here... the Treasury Load may have been a +P+ load at it's final evolution... but the point I was trying to make... bullets in the 110-125 grain weight class seem to offer pretty good performance from snub barrels.</p><p></p><p>38/44? Elmer Keith and his cohorts were hot loading 38 special cases to way past 357 values and those guys were blowing up guns left and right. Sticking 38 special cylinder on 44 caliber frame was S and W's short term solution until the 357 mag finally came out in the mid 30's. Elmer liked a 173 grain bullet and 38/44's could push 1400 fps (reported by some sources but factory loads ran in the 1100 fps range typically).</p><p></p><p> I dont know if Evan Marshall ever commited it to writing</p><p></p><p>- but I remember him saying something about the 38 special of the 30's getting near +P numbers. (I have spoken with Evan face to face -used to shoot a range he owned for a while).</p><p></p><p>To clarify.... yep... half a box of +P now and then wont blow up your gun.... but like handloads.... you wont know till it happens. Documenting your frames dimensions may ease your mind... if you see a trend of stretching over a few hundred rounds.... </p><p></p><p>Good luck... and if you get spooky about potental pressure problems --- there are a lot of steel J frames out there for sale.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=24" target="_blank">http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=24</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jefpainthorse, post: 1371710, member: 11766"] Like I said... I am going from memory here... the Treasury Load may have been a +P+ load at it's final evolution... but the point I was trying to make... bullets in the 110-125 grain weight class seem to offer pretty good performance from snub barrels. 38/44? Elmer Keith and his cohorts were hot loading 38 special cases to way past 357 values and those guys were blowing up guns left and right. Sticking 38 special cylinder on 44 caliber frame was S and W's short term solution until the 357 mag finally came out in the mid 30's. Elmer liked a 173 grain bullet and 38/44's could push 1400 fps (reported by some sources but factory loads ran in the 1100 fps range typically). I dont know if Evan Marshall ever commited it to writing - but I remember him saying something about the 38 special of the 30's getting near +P numbers. (I have spoken with Evan face to face -used to shoot a range he owned for a while). To clarify.... yep... half a box of +P now and then wont blow up your gun.... but like handloads.... you wont know till it happens. Documenting your frames dimensions may ease your mind... if you see a trend of stretching over a few hundred rounds.... Good luck... and if you get spooky about potental pressure problems --- there are a lot of steel J frames out there for sale. [url]http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=24[/url] [/QUOTE]
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