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<blockquote data-quote="Norman" data-source="post: 1258413" data-attributes="member: 4232"><p>Hammer, Knife, its all personal preference i guess. I have seen what knives can do, and I've seen the photos of what a hammer will do. I personally prefer knives. Plus they are easier to carry <img src="/images/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> IMHO at contact/clench distance a firearm does not hold a damage edge (assuming that the person with the knife knows how to use it). Outside of that distance, a firearm obviously has an advantage.</p><p> IMHO there is a time and place to close the distance in self defense, the trick is knowing when that time is. Good on you for what sounds like realistic training. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Vast imporvement is rather subjective. The fact is that (most) all handgun rounds are anemic. However, the more common self defense rounds have improved ballistics compared to the .22lr. I really dont consider it a primary weapon round. Ive seen the results of headshots with .22s and .25s that the skull was not penetrated, or the bullet did not have enough energy to disrupt/destroy tissue to cause incapacitation if it did. Those instances are anecdotal, and can be counted on one hand though. You are a hunter, so you are aware that in Oklahoma you cannot deer hunt legaly with a .22lr, however you can with some of the serious self defense rounds. The link that you provided was an oldy but a goody. Ive read it before a couple times, and always agreed with the comment on page 6 that says using a .22lr and training for only headshots is impractical with the realities of shooting. It is personal preference in the end i guess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Norman, post: 1258413, member: 4232"] Hammer, Knife, its all personal preference i guess. I have seen what knives can do, and I've seen the photos of what a hammer will do. I personally prefer knives. Plus they are easier to carry ;) IMHO at contact/clench distance a firearm does not hold a damage edge (assuming that the person with the knife knows how to use it). Outside of that distance, a firearm obviously has an advantage. IMHO there is a time and place to close the distance in self defense, the trick is knowing when that time is. Good on you for what sounds like realistic training. Vast imporvement is rather subjective. The fact is that (most) all handgun rounds are anemic. However, the more common self defense rounds have improved ballistics compared to the .22lr. I really dont consider it a primary weapon round. Ive seen the results of headshots with .22s and .25s that the skull was not penetrated, or the bullet did not have enough energy to disrupt/destroy tissue to cause incapacitation if it did. Those instances are anecdotal, and can be counted on one hand though. You are a hunter, so you are aware that in Oklahoma you cannot deer hunt legaly with a .22lr, however you can with some of the serious self defense rounds. The link that you provided was an oldy but a goody. Ive read it before a couple times, and always agreed with the comment on page 6 that says using a .22lr and training for only headshots is impractical with the realities of shooting. It is personal preference in the end i guess. [/QUOTE]
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