Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted

[n2sooners]

I figured a couple of controversial topics have been discussed today without any serious incident so why not throw religion into the mix.
Please remember to respect each others beliefs even if you disagree.

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to “rape” and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.”

“Someone needs to be punished for this,” Weinstein told Fox News. “Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.”boykin

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News he was stunned that the Pentagon would be taking counsel and advice from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

“Why would military leadership be meeting with one of the most rabid atheists in America to discuss religious freedom in the military,” Perkins said. “That’s like consulting with China on how to improve human rights.”

The FRC has launched a petition drive urging Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel to protect the religious freedom of troops “and not to proceed with the purge of religion within the ranks called for by anti-Christian activists.”

Pentagon officials met with Weinstein and his group were to discuss a policy called “Air Force Culture, Air Force Standards,” published on Aug. 7, 2012.

Section 2.11 requires “government neutrality regarding religion.”

“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the regulation states.

Military leaders were admonished not to use their position to “promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion.”

Weinstein said it’s time for the Air Force to enforce the regulation – with zeal.

“If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted,” he said. “We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

He compared the act of proselytizing to rape.

“It is a version of being spiritually raped and you are being spiritually raped by fundamentalist Christian religious predators,” he told Fox News.

He said there is a time and a place for those in uniform to share their faith – but he took issues with fundamentalism that he says is causing widespread problems in the military.

“When those people are in uniform and they believe there is no time, place or manner in which they can be restricted from proselytizing, they are creating tyranny, oppression, degradation, humiliation and horrible, horrible pain upon members of the military,” he said.

Perkins said the military regulations have “Weinstein’s fingerprints all over it.”

“It threatens to treat service members caught witnessing as enemies of the state,” he said, referring to a Washington Post article highlighting Weinstein’s meeting with Pentagon officials. “Non-compliance, the Pentagon suggests, even from ordained chaplains could result in court-martialing on a case-by-case basis.”

The Pentagon confirmed to Fox News that Christian evangelism is against regulations.

“Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense, LCDR Nate Christensen said in a written statement. He declined to say if any chaplains or service members had been prosecuted for such an offense.

“Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis and it would be inappropriate to speculate on the outcome in specific cases,” he said.

Ron Crews, the executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, warns that the Air Force policy would “significantly impact the religious liberties of Air Force personnel.”

“Saying that a service member cannot speak of his faith is like telling a service member he cannot talk about his spouse or children,” Crews said. “I do not think the Air Force wants to ban personnel from protected religious speech, and I certainly hope that it is willing to listen to the numerous individuals and groups who protect military religious liberty without demonizing service members.”

In an interview with the Washington Post, Weinstein called proselytizing a “national security threat.”

“And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason,” he told the newspaper. “It should be punished.”

Perkins said it was troubling the Obama Administration would place so much trust in someone like Weinstein.

“Unfortunately, it appears our military is on a forced march away from the very freedoms they are sworn to protect,” he said. “This language from Weinstein that Christians who share their faith or offer comfort to others from their faith in Jesus Christ is “sedition and treason” is a treasonous statement in and of itself.”

But Weinstein said they count thousands of Protestants among their ranks – and said they are simply going after fundamentalists.

“As soon as we find a fundamentalist Muslim, atheist, Jewish person or anybody else, we will be happy to fight them – but so far they have been few and far between,” he said.

Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Jerry Boykin, an executive vice president with the Family Research Council, told Fox News that he’s deeply concerned by what he call a pattern of attacks on Christianity within the military.

“Mickey Weinstein has a very visceral hated of Christianity and those who are Christians,” he said. “He’d like to see it eliminated from the military entirely.”

If the Air Force policy is implemented, Boykin said Christians who speak of their faith “could now be prosecuted as enemies of the state.”

“This has the potential to destroy military recruiting across the services as Americans realize that their faith will be suppressed by joining the military,” Boykin said.

In the meantime, Weinstein and his group said they will continue to push for the Pentagon to fully implement its ban on proselytizing.

“There is a time, place and manner in which proselytizing is not only allowed, but it’s something we support among our Christian clients,” Weinstein said. “However, you can’t scream fire in a crowded theater and you can’t scream Jesus in a crowded theater at certain times, places, and in certain manners.”

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[n2sooners]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater

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[0311]

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. That goes for preaching Muslim Fundamentalism, too. If service members can't preach the one, then they can't preach the other. Chaplains are in an especially delicate situation these days in the military. If they refuse to perform a gay marriage, for example, their careers could be ruined.

 

[Sanford]

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. That goes for preaching Muslim Fundamentalism, too.

And those darn Gaians, Wiccans, and Pagans too ... wonder if the regulations apply to other kinds of proselytizing (non-religious) such as, for instance, recruiting people to join the Democratic party?

 

[ignerntbend]

"Religious liberty groups have grave concerns"

The military is rigidly hiearchical and those above have a near absolute power over those below.

"I didn't see you in church on Sunday, soldier. You got something better to do? Not on Sunday you don't."

The Pentagon still hasn't settled on any guide lines here, but this seems like a good idea to me.
You can and should be able to discuss your point of view without proselytizing.

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns. Who's liberty are they talking about?

 

[rebel-son]

Just my two cents, but I think God has brought many service members home and while I support each persons right to believe what they do or dont believe I think its foolhardy to not realize the impact of christianity on our nation.

It seems our nation turns from God more and more for false Gods of political correctness and multi-culturalism leading to balkanizing the usa

 

[elance]

so what about unProselytizing isn't that the agenda of the atheists ?

what are they afraid of, they're right won't matter , they're wrong their choice .

is it the I told you so's ??
lol

elance

ps the Lord blessed me again today , not only did the familiy get clean bills of health , but Dr. harrington sent me a check for the money he owed me . thank you sir . thank you Jesus . course unto Ceasar

 

[RickN]

It is an ongoing war against Christians in the military and I say this as a guy that does not believe in organized religion. In just the last few months or so they have labeled Christians as hate groups and possible terrorist, blocked access to the Southern Baptist web site, etc, etc.

 

[Cedar Creek]

As I understand the term proselytyzing it means attempting to persuade an individual to switch to the proselytzer's religion or church or whatever. I absolutely hate when someone starts that sh** around me and if the military has to kick someone out to get them to respect our freedom of and from religion then I'm all for it.

Cedar Creek

 

[Danny Tanner]

Just my two cents, but I think God has brought many service members home and while I support each persons right to believe what they do or dont believe I think its foolhardy to not realize the impact of christianity on our nation.

It seems our nation turns from God more and more for false Gods of political correctness and multi-culturalism leading to balkanizing the usa

The positive AND the negative impacts, right? Isn't multi-culturalism one of the many things that makes this country great? I thought this was a nation created to welcome all people, not just white, heterosexual Christians.

It is an ongoing war against Christians in the military and I say this as a guy that does not believe in organized religion. In just the last few months or so they have labeled Christians as hate groups and possible terrorist, blocked access to the Southern Baptist web site, etc, etc.

How is this a war on Christians? Christianity is still welcome within the soldier, it's still welcome within the military, it's just not welcome to be forced onto others.

As I understand the term proselytyzing it means attempting to persuade an individual to switch to the proselytzer's religion or church or whatever. I absolutely hate when someone starts that sh** around me and if the military has to kick someone out to get them to respect our freedom of and from religion then I'm all for it.

Cedar Creek

Yep!

so what about unProselytizing isn't that the agenda of the atheists ?

what are they afraid of, they're right won't matter , they're wrong their choice .

is it the I told you so's ??
lol

elance

wut?

If you'd like to polish this up a bit, I might be able to let you know what our agenda is. I think you'd be surprised when you find out it's not as dangerous to you, your family, or your religion as you think it is.