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<blockquote data-quote="jdagreek" data-source="post: 1511399" data-attributes="member: 14916"><p>Dale, I think you are really close. I don't think the issue is the attitude regarding the 2nd Amendment. It is the attitude of the idea that getting it all in a piece of legislation or bust is part of the problem. I do agree that there is some ignorance on the part of some people in political office, including some members of the legislature. However, I do believe that there is some ignorance on the side of the people who simply want what they want and aren't willing to accept that others don't see it their way on an individual piece of legislation.</p><p></p><p>You are exactly right in that those of us who want to further gun laws have to educate and change the minds of others. In my mind that includes changing the minds of some of the "my way or the highway" crowd. I think there is plenty of ignorance to go around. I strongly suspect that the vast majority of the people on these forums have no idea about how the political process works and how to get something done in the political process. They just have the attitude that when things don't go their way they blame it on the politicians, even the politicians who are their friends.</p><p></p><p>I know some current members of the legislature get so tired of the attitudes of people like JefPaintHorse that they simply wash their hands of the issue. Ole JefPaintHorse simply thinks "it is his right" when it clearly isn't simply his right. Well people can think that all they want, but it simply isn't reality. If it was simply "his right" we wouldn't even be discussing the issue. The courts would have settled "his right" issue long ago. The facts are that it isn't his right. We have to fix the law to get "the right" he wants.</p><p></p><p>We need to change JefPaintHorse and his attitude as well as some of the folks with the political power to get what we want. Politics is all about the power and who has it. It is pretty clear that the "gun lobby" in Oklahoma doesn't have the political power to get done what they want. So, we have to get people like JefPaintHorse to pony up and help instead of just getting in the way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jdagreek, post: 1511399, member: 14916"] Dale, I think you are really close. I don't think the issue is the attitude regarding the 2nd Amendment. It is the attitude of the idea that getting it all in a piece of legislation or bust is part of the problem. I do agree that there is some ignorance on the part of some people in political office, including some members of the legislature. However, I do believe that there is some ignorance on the side of the people who simply want what they want and aren't willing to accept that others don't see it their way on an individual piece of legislation. You are exactly right in that those of us who want to further gun laws have to educate and change the minds of others. In my mind that includes changing the minds of some of the "my way or the highway" crowd. I think there is plenty of ignorance to go around. I strongly suspect that the vast majority of the people on these forums have no idea about how the political process works and how to get something done in the political process. They just have the attitude that when things don't go their way they blame it on the politicians, even the politicians who are their friends. I know some current members of the legislature get so tired of the attitudes of people like JefPaintHorse that they simply wash their hands of the issue. Ole JefPaintHorse simply thinks "it is his right" when it clearly isn't simply his right. Well people can think that all they want, but it simply isn't reality. If it was simply "his right" we wouldn't even be discussing the issue. The courts would have settled "his right" issue long ago. The facts are that it isn't his right. We have to fix the law to get "the right" he wants. We need to change JefPaintHorse and his attitude as well as some of the folks with the political power to get what we want. Politics is all about the power and who has it. It is pretty clear that the "gun lobby" in Oklahoma doesn't have the political power to get done what they want. So, we have to get people like JefPaintHorse to pony up and help instead of just getting in the way. [/QUOTE]
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