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<blockquote data-quote="Sanford" data-source="post: 2236503" data-attributes="member: 27733">Where did I say anything about needing justification? What I said was that I believe one needs to use common sense in exercising their rights, and doing so for the specific purpose of creating an incident seems like anything but.I might have the &quot;right&quot; to poke a bear with a stick, but I don&#039;t think that would show much common sense either. If I did it out of ignorance it might be excusable, but if I did it with full knowledge and the expectation (perhaps even desire) for harm to myself I&#039;d have no one else to blame but ... yep, myself. Not the greatest example but the point is that when we choose to act we bear responsibility for the results of our action. Just because the action happens as we&#039;re &quot;exercising our rights&quot; doesn&#039;t remove the responsibility. When we choose to exercise our rights stupidly we should be prepared for any negative consequences that result.That&#039;s all meant to apply beyond this specific situation, though. Don&#039;t think that I believe the LEO&#039;s in this situation acted properly - because I don&#039;t - but I certainly don&#039;t believe that the driver&#039;s completely blameless either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sanford, post: 2236503, member: 27733"] Where did I say anything about needing justification? What I said was that I believe one needs to use common sense in exercising their rights, and doing so for the specific purpose of creating an incident seems like anything but. I might have the "right" to poke a bear with a stick, but I don't think that would show much common sense either. If I did it out of ignorance it might be excusable, but if I did it with full knowledge and the expectation (perhaps even desire) for harm to myself I'd have no one else to blame but ... yep, myself. Not the greatest example but the point is that when we choose to act we bear responsibility for the results of our action. Just because the action happens as we're "exercising our rights" doesn't remove the responsibility. When we choose to exercise our rights stupidly we should be prepared for any negative consequences that result. That's all meant to apply beyond this specific situation, though. Don't think that I believe the LEO's in this situation acted properly - because I don't - but I certainly don't believe that the driver's completely blameless either. [/QUOTE]

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