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<blockquote data-quote="soonerwings" data-source="post: 2722081" data-attributes="member: 8035"><p>For the reasons outlined in the linked articles, I respectfully disagree with Ridge and Cards. I'll copy paste a few passages, but I won't paste the entirety of the articles because that would make for a ridiculously long post. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/expulsion-of-two-oklahoma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html?_r=0" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/expulsion-of-two-oklahoma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html?_r=0</a></p><p></p><p>"But Title VI is addressed to literal discrimination, and statements by students in a private setting do not come near to violating it, said Geoffrey R. Stone, a professor of law at the University of Chicago. A university could discipline students for disrupting classes with irrelevant or uncivil speech, Mr. Stone said, or otherwise disrupting the operations of the school."</p><p></p><p>But its hard to make that case here, he said of the Oklahoma situation. The statements were made in the innocuous setting of a bus, and any disruption came from the showing of the video, not from the students speech, Mr. Stone said."</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/10/no-a-public-university-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/10/no-a-public-university-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/</a></p><p></p><p> Likewise, if SAE members are expelled based on conduct for which people who didnt engage in SAEs speech would generally just be mildly reprimanded, the expulsion would be based on the speech, not the members punishable conduct, which would just be pretext for punishing students for the ideas they were expressing to each other.</p><p></p><p>Under the First Amendment, though, the government including the University of Oklahoma generally cannot add to this price, whether the offensive speech is racist, religiously bigoted, pro-revolutionary, or expressive of any other viewpoint, however repugnant it might be.</p><p></p><p>"Whether the Saturday night chant amounted to such a violation, legal experts said, the code could not take precedence over First Amendment rights."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soonerwings, post: 2722081, member: 8035"] For the reasons outlined in the linked articles, I respectfully disagree with Ridge and Cards. I'll copy paste a few passages, but I won't paste the entirety of the articles because that would make for a ridiculously long post. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/expulsion-of-two-oklahoma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html?_r=0[/url] "But Title VI is addressed to literal discrimination, and statements by students in a private setting do not come near to violating it, said Geoffrey R. Stone, a professor of law at the University of Chicago. A university could discipline students for disrupting classes with irrelevant or uncivil speech, Mr. Stone said, or otherwise disrupting the operations of the school." But its hard to make that case here, he said of the Oklahoma situation. The statements were made in the innocuous setting of a bus, and any disruption came from the showing of the video, not from the students speech, Mr. Stone said." [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/10/no-a-public-university-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/[/url] Likewise, if SAE members are expelled based on conduct for which people who didnt engage in SAEs speech would generally just be mildly reprimanded, the expulsion would be based on the speech, not the members punishable conduct, which would just be pretext for punishing students for the ideas they were expressing to each other. Under the First Amendment, though, the government including the University of Oklahoma generally cannot add to this price, whether the offensive speech is racist, religiously bigoted, pro-revolutionary, or expressive of any other viewpoint, however repugnant it might be. "Whether the Saturday night chant amounted to such a violation, legal experts said, the code could not take precedence over First Amendment rights." [/QUOTE]
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