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<blockquote data-quote="cdoan02" data-source="post: 2483911" data-attributes="member: 14915"><p>First off, I abhor physical violence. I wish to avoid it at all costs. I do not wish anyone to be hurt. I don't go out and fight the federal government. I don't hate cops. I don't hate law and order. I know that there are countless examples of people that are actually 100% in the right, yet are screwed by the government. I realize that Cliven Bundy hasn't done everything right. But here I am supporting Cliven Bundy. Why? Because he stood up.</p><p></p><p>It's been shown to me that in a court of law, Mr. Bundy is in the wrong. He is refusing to obey a legal court order. And yet I support him. </p><p></p><p>Reading this article, and the specific quote from Harry Reid, made me want to explain why:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/...V14I5GhESg.cspx" target="_blank">http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/...V14I5GhESg.cspx</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly!!!! </p><p></p><p>Unless that American people happens to be a member of the elite ruling class. </p><p></p><p>I'd be happy to endlessly link examples of an elite class of citizen, and their agents, that are openly allowed to violate law and walk away from it... But to avoid the inevitable attacks which result from many of the examples, let's go with one we can all agree on. </p><p></p><p>Eric Holder, our Attorney General. The head of the Department of Justice. Laws he broke resulted in American lives lost. He has also been ordered to produce specific documents relating to such charges to our elected Representatives, and has refused to comply. Yet he hasn't ordered the ATF to mobilize tactical units to surround him and forcibly take what was ordered to be turned over. Because he isn't going to attack himself. </p><p></p><p>No other executive branch agencies have mobilized tactical units to surround Mr. Holder and forcibly take what was ordered. Because they are all part of an elite ruling class. </p><p></p><p>They make the rules. They break the rules. They change the rules to manipulate outcomes that are beneficial to them. They change the rules to manipulate a lower class of citizen to benefit themselves. </p><p></p><p>I do not care if Clive Bundy is shown in a court of law to be wrong. I do not care about why the BLM wants him off. I do not care about Chinese solar farms, or tortoise conspiracies.</p><p></p><p>I care that the law is manipulated by those that benefit from the manipulation. If he was part of the elite ruling class, we wouldn't be talking about any of this. </p><p></p><p>I haven't heard about any complaints of Mr. Bundy from anyone other than the elite ruling class or those sticking up for the ruling class' rights. To my fellow citizens that deem me crazy, and tell me that it's federal land, and they get to decide what to do with it...</p><p></p><p>Who is THEY? The federal government? Sweet! That's We the People, so I should have a say in it. It may not be anything other than my opinion, but it's valid in my mind. </p><p></p><p>We are supposed to all citizens with equal rights. Unless you are military, you are a civilian. Even though that's not the case, as I appear to be a plebeian... But I digress.</p><p></p><p>This regular guy, Cliven Bundy, wants to let some cattle free range out on some crappy desert land? Oh, he uses the money he makes to build and maintain roads, water lines, and water tanks so that his animals can survive out there? And the argument against letting him do this is that the government owns this land, and has the right to do whatever it wants? </p><p></p><p>The government is not a private land owner. The government is We the People. And I do not believe that the people making the ownership decisions over the land uses have our best interests in mind. I believe they have the best interests of the elite ruling class in mind. </p><p></p><p>Why would I trust ANY agency with APPOINTED decision makers that have the power to do whatever they want, however they want, with the force of law, including theft, imprisonment, physical violence, and/or death, with absolutely no oversight or requirement to answer to congress, the elected representatives of We the People?</p><p></p><p>Cliven Bundy and his supporters stood up and non-violently refused to comply. That is called protest. That is the first amendment in action. When they were physically attacked, more supporters came. They remained non-violent, but clearly stated they would defend themselves if attacked. </p><p></p><p>You can call me names, but I see an elite ruling class. I am not a part of them. I don't want to be a part of them. I just want to live my life peacefully. I love my neighbors. If any of them had issue with something I did, I would work to correct it. If my neighbors need help, I want to be there for them. Seems to me Mr. Bundy appears no different than me. He's a cattle rancher. I'm a city guy. But we are the same. </p><p></p><p>If a team of armed federal agents mobilized against me for reasons they deemed legal and reasonable, I cannot imagine my family, friends, and neighbors would all mobilize and put themselves at risk for me. I trust they all know I strive to be righteous, and would believe that I didn't do wrong. But to put themselves on the line? They have families to think of. And I understand that. </p><p></p><p>Go look at those pictures. Those are normal folk. Just like me. They have family, friends, and neighbors. Cliven Bundy's family, friends, and neighbors put themselves on the line for him. In my mind, they must believe him to be a good, righteous man. Those were not paid mercenaries. The ones putting themselves at risk for pay were on the other side. </p><p></p><p>I believe all individuals are the same. We are created as equals, and deserve equal rights. We are all supposed to be equal American citizens. But that's not what I see. </p><p></p><p>I see an elite ruling class, the agents of the ruling class, and the plebeians. I see myself as a plebeian. Just regular people. </p><p></p><p>I believe the federal government, through the BLM, has manipulated the situation to take control of the land from We the People to the elite ruling class so that they may benefit. </p><p></p><p>Just like they do in every single federal agency that has the power to do whatever they want, however they want, with the force of law. </p><p></p><p>I side with Mr. Bundy. I am completely 100% aware that he is in absolute violation of court orders, and that he is breaking the law by doing so. The law is not just. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or maybe I'm just crazy, and the IRS, NSA, BATFE, BLM, etc. are all truly representative of We the People.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cdoan02, post: 2483911, member: 14915"] First off, I abhor physical violence. I wish to avoid it at all costs. I do not wish anyone to be hurt. I don't go out and fight the federal government. I don't hate cops. I don't hate law and order. I know that there are countless examples of people that are actually 100% in the right, yet are screwed by the government. I realize that Cliven Bundy hasn't done everything right. But here I am supporting Cliven Bundy. Why? Because he stood up. It's been shown to me that in a court of law, Mr. Bundy is in the wrong. He is refusing to obey a legal court order. And yet I support him. Reading this article, and the specific quote from Harry Reid, made me want to explain why: [url]http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/...V14I5GhESg.cspx[/url] "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said. Exactly!!!! Unless that American people happens to be a member of the elite ruling class. I'd be happy to endlessly link examples of an elite class of citizen, and their agents, that are openly allowed to violate law and walk away from it... But to avoid the inevitable attacks which result from many of the examples, let's go with one we can all agree on. Eric Holder, our Attorney General. The head of the Department of Justice. Laws he broke resulted in American lives lost. He has also been ordered to produce specific documents relating to such charges to our elected Representatives, and has refused to comply. Yet he hasn't ordered the ATF to mobilize tactical units to surround him and forcibly take what was ordered to be turned over. Because he isn't going to attack himself. No other executive branch agencies have mobilized tactical units to surround Mr. Holder and forcibly take what was ordered. Because they are all part of an elite ruling class. They make the rules. They break the rules. They change the rules to manipulate outcomes that are beneficial to them. They change the rules to manipulate a lower class of citizen to benefit themselves. I do not care if Clive Bundy is shown in a court of law to be wrong. I do not care about why the BLM wants him off. I do not care about Chinese solar farms, or tortoise conspiracies. I care that the law is manipulated by those that benefit from the manipulation. If he was part of the elite ruling class, we wouldn't be talking about any of this. I haven't heard about any complaints of Mr. Bundy from anyone other than the elite ruling class or those sticking up for the ruling class' rights. To my fellow citizens that deem me crazy, and tell me that it's federal land, and they get to decide what to do with it... Who is THEY? The federal government? Sweet! That's We the People, so I should have a say in it. It may not be anything other than my opinion, but it's valid in my mind. We are supposed to all citizens with equal rights. Unless you are military, you are a civilian. Even though that's not the case, as I appear to be a plebeian... But I digress. This regular guy, Cliven Bundy, wants to let some cattle free range out on some crappy desert land? Oh, he uses the money he makes to build and maintain roads, water lines, and water tanks so that his animals can survive out there? And the argument against letting him do this is that the government owns this land, and has the right to do whatever it wants? The government is not a private land owner. The government is We the People. And I do not believe that the people making the ownership decisions over the land uses have our best interests in mind. I believe they have the best interests of the elite ruling class in mind. Why would I trust ANY agency with APPOINTED decision makers that have the power to do whatever they want, however they want, with the force of law, including theft, imprisonment, physical violence, and/or death, with absolutely no oversight or requirement to answer to congress, the elected representatives of We the People? Cliven Bundy and his supporters stood up and non-violently refused to comply. That is called protest. That is the first amendment in action. When they were physically attacked, more supporters came. They remained non-violent, but clearly stated they would defend themselves if attacked. You can call me names, but I see an elite ruling class. I am not a part of them. I don't want to be a part of them. I just want to live my life peacefully. I love my neighbors. If any of them had issue with something I did, I would work to correct it. If my neighbors need help, I want to be there for them. Seems to me Mr. Bundy appears no different than me. He's a cattle rancher. I'm a city guy. But we are the same. If a team of armed federal agents mobilized against me for reasons they deemed legal and reasonable, I cannot imagine my family, friends, and neighbors would all mobilize and put themselves at risk for me. I trust they all know I strive to be righteous, and would believe that I didn't do wrong. But to put themselves on the line? They have families to think of. And I understand that. Go look at those pictures. Those are normal folk. Just like me. They have family, friends, and neighbors. Cliven Bundy's family, friends, and neighbors put themselves on the line for him. In my mind, they must believe him to be a good, righteous man. Those were not paid mercenaries. The ones putting themselves at risk for pay were on the other side. I believe all individuals are the same. We are created as equals, and deserve equal rights. We are all supposed to be equal American citizens. But that's not what I see. I see an elite ruling class, the agents of the ruling class, and the plebeians. I see myself as a plebeian. Just regular people. I believe the federal government, through the BLM, has manipulated the situation to take control of the land from We the People to the elite ruling class so that they may benefit. Just like they do in every single federal agency that has the power to do whatever they want, however they want, with the force of law. I side with Mr. Bundy. I am completely 100% aware that he is in absolute violation of court orders, and that he is breaking the law by doing so. The law is not just. Or maybe I'm just crazy, and the IRS, NSA, BATFE, BLM, etc. are all truly representative of We the People. [/QUOTE]
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