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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 2371092" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>Guys, the ONE thing that is "different" for me is abortion...and there are many "Libertarian Republicans" that can't overlook it. It is hard to ask someone who believes innocent children are being savaged to just overlook it. But having said that, the polls show now that the majority are against it. If I were running, and I was asked about it, I'd be honest but not bombastic with my answer...I think the over-passionate fundamentalists hurt our cause. Even though many of us here widely agree with their convictions, PRESENTATION does matter.</p><p></p><p>The Tea Party is about fiscal responsibility and taxes but many social conservatives also hold conservative convictions about the fiscal issues so it should be no surprise they are joined up with the Tea Party. Ted Cruz's main points are fiscal but I bet if you asked him he is very socially conservative; he just is not arrogant about it and forceful. Same with Rand Paul. To me, the Bible trumps all political ideologies and for that maybe I'm a "fundie". But I have a high enough IQ to know that torpedoing elections with judgmental speech ultimately hurts our cause. Let's hope the Republicans listen to Neal Boortz.</p><p></p><p></p><p>One other observation...Santorum was considered the most right-wing fundie in the 2012 campaigns. I'm not necessarily a supporter of his, but here are some observations:</p><p></p><p>- Media portrays him as scary fundamentalist, yet he has given some very pragmatic answers that go unnoticed. One thing that comes to mind is that he said although he is against contraception personally, he would never want the federal government to make laws to ban it. The media of course reported it like he wanted to ban it. </p><p></p><p>- He is portayed as a rich man's candidate but he is actually very much in tune with the blue collar vote in his home state</p><p></p><p>- He is portrayed as a religious nutcase but he used the words "it's bullsh*t" during the campaign when he called out the media, and he enjoys a good beer like most men. It think he is more "down to earth" than he is portrayed when it comes to his fundamentalism.</p><p></p><p>- Almost all counties in Oklahoma picked him in the primaries in 2012 (probably because he was seen as the most fundamentalist). I find that ironic because much of rural Oklahoma is Protestant and Santorum is Catholic...I'm surprised they went for him because of that. But of course, to show the liberalization of Oklahoma, Tulsa and OKC went for Romney....gie it 10 more yrs of this "beg league city" garbage and rural counties will be for gay marriage, etc. The libs followed the Thunder here and now they are changing us.</p><p></p><p>- I think he gets a lot of the same scrutiny as Palin...I am not a huge fan of Palin or Santorum, but I think they both get a bad wrap in the media as compared to how the actually are. Though I would not want Palin as president of course.</p><p></p><p>- I bet Santorum and Brogdon are similar in their convictions and I bet Brogdon wanted Santorum to be president</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes it is very hard to prove CAUSALITY. Not unless you have full-control of the environment, diet, etc (like lab rats). In humans, there are so many factors that can skew a study unless the study is on prisoners or something when you have more control over what they have access to during the study period.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 2371092, member: 24531"] Guys, the ONE thing that is "different" for me is abortion...and there are many "Libertarian Republicans" that can't overlook it. It is hard to ask someone who believes innocent children are being savaged to just overlook it. But having said that, the polls show now that the majority are against it. If I were running, and I was asked about it, I'd be honest but not bombastic with my answer...I think the over-passionate fundamentalists hurt our cause. Even though many of us here widely agree with their convictions, PRESENTATION does matter. The Tea Party is about fiscal responsibility and taxes but many social conservatives also hold conservative convictions about the fiscal issues so it should be no surprise they are joined up with the Tea Party. Ted Cruz's main points are fiscal but I bet if you asked him he is very socially conservative; he just is not arrogant about it and forceful. Same with Rand Paul. To me, the Bible trumps all political ideologies and for that maybe I'm a "fundie". But I have a high enough IQ to know that torpedoing elections with judgmental speech ultimately hurts our cause. Let's hope the Republicans listen to Neal Boortz. One other observation...Santorum was considered the most right-wing fundie in the 2012 campaigns. I'm not necessarily a supporter of his, but here are some observations: - Media portrays him as scary fundamentalist, yet he has given some very pragmatic answers that go unnoticed. One thing that comes to mind is that he said although he is against contraception personally, he would never want the federal government to make laws to ban it. The media of course reported it like he wanted to ban it. - He is portayed as a rich man's candidate but he is actually very much in tune with the blue collar vote in his home state - He is portrayed as a religious nutcase but he used the words "it's bullsh*t" during the campaign when he called out the media, and he enjoys a good beer like most men. It think he is more "down to earth" than he is portrayed when it comes to his fundamentalism. - Almost all counties in Oklahoma picked him in the primaries in 2012 (probably because he was seen as the most fundamentalist). I find that ironic because much of rural Oklahoma is Protestant and Santorum is Catholic...I'm surprised they went for him because of that. But of course, to show the liberalization of Oklahoma, Tulsa and OKC went for Romney....gie it 10 more yrs of this "beg league city" garbage and rural counties will be for gay marriage, etc. The libs followed the Thunder here and now they are changing us. - I think he gets a lot of the same scrutiny as Palin...I am not a huge fan of Palin or Santorum, but I think they both get a bad wrap in the media as compared to how the actually are. Though I would not want Palin as president of course. - I bet Santorum and Brogdon are similar in their convictions and I bet Brogdon wanted Santorum to be president Yes it is very hard to prove CAUSALITY. Not unless you have full-control of the environment, diet, etc (like lab rats). In humans, there are so many factors that can skew a study unless the study is on prisoners or something when you have more control over what they have access to during the study period. [/QUOTE]
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