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<blockquote data-quote="TRAINr" data-source="post: 1614159" data-attributes="member: 16522"><p>I see your point. I just don't see someone who has been working for years who has gone up the ladder settling for these jobs unless it was as a last resort in order to put food on the table. Or as you point out as a startup business for someone. Filling these lower jobs might reduce the unemployment rate but I don't see it providing anything more than a means of surviving. I don't understand how politicians can keep saying that jobs need to be created when those who offer jobs can't if the economy is stagnant. If a business is barely staying afloat how can it offer a job? Every job I've worked at has been a small to medium sized business that by virtue of being in the service sector can't relocate outside the US. What policies has the government put in place that help smaller businesses or hurt them? Seems to me that government simply keeps making it harder to stay in business with the constant stream of regulations, rules and mandates that only hurt business. Am I wrong?</p><p></p><p>I don't see a problem with free trade provided it's also fair. It's not equal if any government subsidizes it. Businesses should compete equally. So I agree that since the Chinese help their businesses we shouldn't trade with them. Problem is that we want stuff really cheap which the Chinese and others can provide. So our dollars go overseas which helps those country's governments grow stronger even if the businesses don't. I don't know what the Chinese business tax level is but I'm sure they take a pretty decent cut to grow like they're growing. I do realize though that the dollars that go overseas are worthless to them unless they can use them. So they either buy some of our products or they lend it back to us. Seems lending is easier. Ironic that our (and the western world's) materialistic society provides the money for them to grow stronger.</p><p></p><p>I'm at a loss to know the answers or solutions. I try to break it down to the lowest denominator and see how things interact at the individual level and then extrapolate that behavior upward to represent one nation interacting with another nation. Aren't nation's just collections of lots of people? Maybe I'm to simplistic in looking at it like this. Oops. I got off topic. Sorry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRAINr, post: 1614159, member: 16522"] I see your point. I just don't see someone who has been working for years who has gone up the ladder settling for these jobs unless it was as a last resort in order to put food on the table. Or as you point out as a startup business for someone. Filling these lower jobs might reduce the unemployment rate but I don't see it providing anything more than a means of surviving. I don't understand how politicians can keep saying that jobs need to be created when those who offer jobs can't if the economy is stagnant. If a business is barely staying afloat how can it offer a job? Every job I've worked at has been a small to medium sized business that by virtue of being in the service sector can't relocate outside the US. What policies has the government put in place that help smaller businesses or hurt them? Seems to me that government simply keeps making it harder to stay in business with the constant stream of regulations, rules and mandates that only hurt business. Am I wrong? I don't see a problem with free trade provided it's also fair. It's not equal if any government subsidizes it. Businesses should compete equally. So I agree that since the Chinese help their businesses we shouldn't trade with them. Problem is that we want stuff really cheap which the Chinese and others can provide. So our dollars go overseas which helps those country's governments grow stronger even if the businesses don't. I don't know what the Chinese business tax level is but I'm sure they take a pretty decent cut to grow like they're growing. I do realize though that the dollars that go overseas are worthless to them unless they can use them. So they either buy some of our products or they lend it back to us. Seems lending is easier. Ironic that our (and the western world's) materialistic society provides the money for them to grow stronger. I'm at a loss to know the answers or solutions. I try to break it down to the lowest denominator and see how things interact at the individual level and then extrapolate that behavior upward to represent one nation interacting with another nation. Aren't nation's just collections of lots of people? Maybe I'm to simplistic in looking at it like this. Oops. I got off topic. Sorry. [/QUOTE]
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