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<blockquote data-quote="dutchwrangler" data-source="post: 1618207" data-attributes="member: 4650"><p>Take it a step further... that which you posted does not authorize SPENDING beyond "to pay Debts, provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" (the United States in context being the central government and not the confederation of the States as a whole as the States are independent, sovereign entitities) those funds taken in by the central government were to be applied towards only those concerns directly related to the 18 enumerated powers. The above does not provide for the central government to SPEND on anything outside those 18 enumerated powers. Those enumerated tasks keep the central government small. And any expenditure beyond the 18 enumerated powers violates the Constitution.</p><p></p><p>The intent and design of the Articles was to bring the independent, sovereign States (essentially they were small nations with a common language and some social customs) together in a system similar to the current EU. The Articles did not establish a nation any more than the EU is a nation. Nothing changed with the adoption of the current Constitution as ratified by the States. If it had, it is guaranteed that few or none of the States would have ratified it as it would mean that the States would cease to exist as sovereign entities. A reading of the Anti-Federalist and Federalist papers will bear this out as will letters and correspondance between the framers of the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence, the founding document of the confederation proves this in the final paragraph.</p><p></p><p>And this in my estimation is where Americans get it all wrong. You all have come to think of the US as a nation and that the States don't matter. It was the sovereign, independent Colonies that declared independence from Britain. It was the sovereign, independent States that drafted and passed the Articles of Confederation. And it was the sovereign, independent States that created the central government to act as the arbiter of disputes and differences between the States by ratification of the current constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.</p><p></p><p>I approach all these issues from a different perspective of just about everyone on this forum. I'm not an American. I'm a naturalized US citizen from Canada (dual citizen actually), which itself is a confederation of independent provinces where each province is jealous of it's own interests. The power in Ottawa is limited. The Canadian system similarly follows the line of reasoning that the Founders had for the US (albeit with a few differences). The conflict of 1861 pretty much set the stage for what we now have... a central government that does everything it possibly can to circumvent the restrictions of the Constitution and the power of the States in order to enslave all citizens regardless of race.</p><p></p><p>The only thing I care about in the world is Liberty. I don't care about lines on a map. I don't care about country, or flag or all the pomp that goes with being an American. I seriously doubt our Creator gives a care about all of it either. I'm on this forum to simply bring awareness to those who still haven't figured out that the only thing that matters is LIBERTY.</p><p></p><p>Many vocal members here rant about the infringement of the right to keep and bear arms by the central government... yet are indifferent to the fact that the same central government is infringing upon their other freedoms, in particular their economic freedom which essentially is their personal freedom.</p><p></p><p>It's ironic that some of the strongest proponents of the 2A on this forum are willing to vote for those who are anti-Liberty. I realize none of the candidates are perfect. Yet, the one man who has a consistent record of opposing the growth of the central government during his tenure, whose views align nearly perfectly with that of the Founders, who has defended the Constitution tirelessly... is discounted and viewed as a someone who doesn't get it. He's "unelectable" because he isn't made of plastic or have good hair. He is the only candidate who is a STATESMAN. Listen to him speak and you'll hear the passion he has for preserving the Constitution and promoting individual Liberty. He abhors the collective, socialist mindset that most Americans are enthralled by in these modern times. He constantly talks about the Founders. He Constantly talks about the Constitution. He doesn't look for ways to circumvent the Constitution but to turn the central government back towards a government bound by the Constitution.</p><p></p><p>So many of you look only at the Party you're affiliated with. You don't care about Liberty. You simply want your party to win and the rest be damned. You want the central government to grow larger and larger. Beat Obama is the constant drumbeat. Well, Obama beat himself as the natural law of economics makes it's adjustments to the US economy. You no longer care about the rule of law. Most don't even care about the Constitution. Even fewer care about Liberty.</p><p></p><p>Liberty is the only thing that matters. Government by it's very nature hates Liberty. Government hates you. And your children. And your grandchildren. Government is a self serving entity. And you're just someone to be farmed and harvested by government to expand it's power over you. It has been this way with every government throughout history. The governments we have at all levels is no different. The worst of the worst though is found in D.C. It's enslaving you and has been enslaving you since 1861...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dutchwrangler, post: 1618207, member: 4650"] Take it a step further... that which you posted does not authorize SPENDING beyond "to pay Debts, provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" (the United States in context being the central government and not the confederation of the States as a whole as the States are independent, sovereign entitities) those funds taken in by the central government were to be applied towards only those concerns directly related to the 18 enumerated powers. The above does not provide for the central government to SPEND on anything outside those 18 enumerated powers. Those enumerated tasks keep the central government small. And any expenditure beyond the 18 enumerated powers violates the Constitution. The intent and design of the Articles was to bring the independent, sovereign States (essentially they were small nations with a common language and some social customs) together in a system similar to the current EU. The Articles did not establish a nation any more than the EU is a nation. Nothing changed with the adoption of the current Constitution as ratified by the States. If it had, it is guaranteed that few or none of the States would have ratified it as it would mean that the States would cease to exist as sovereign entities. A reading of the Anti-Federalist and Federalist papers will bear this out as will letters and correspondance between the framers of the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence, the founding document of the confederation proves this in the final paragraph. And this in my estimation is where Americans get it all wrong. You all have come to think of the US as a nation and that the States don't matter. It was the sovereign, independent Colonies that declared independence from Britain. It was the sovereign, independent States that drafted and passed the Articles of Confederation. And it was the sovereign, independent States that created the central government to act as the arbiter of disputes and differences between the States by ratification of the current constitution. Nothing more, nothing less. I approach all these issues from a different perspective of just about everyone on this forum. I'm not an American. I'm a naturalized US citizen from Canada (dual citizen actually), which itself is a confederation of independent provinces where each province is jealous of it's own interests. The power in Ottawa is limited. The Canadian system similarly follows the line of reasoning that the Founders had for the US (albeit with a few differences). The conflict of 1861 pretty much set the stage for what we now have... a central government that does everything it possibly can to circumvent the restrictions of the Constitution and the power of the States in order to enslave all citizens regardless of race. The only thing I care about in the world is Liberty. I don't care about lines on a map. I don't care about country, or flag or all the pomp that goes with being an American. I seriously doubt our Creator gives a care about all of it either. I'm on this forum to simply bring awareness to those who still haven't figured out that the only thing that matters is LIBERTY. Many vocal members here rant about the infringement of the right to keep and bear arms by the central government... yet are indifferent to the fact that the same central government is infringing upon their other freedoms, in particular their economic freedom which essentially is their personal freedom. It's ironic that some of the strongest proponents of the 2A on this forum are willing to vote for those who are anti-Liberty. I realize none of the candidates are perfect. Yet, the one man who has a consistent record of opposing the growth of the central government during his tenure, whose views align nearly perfectly with that of the Founders, who has defended the Constitution tirelessly... is discounted and viewed as a someone who doesn't get it. He's "unelectable" because he isn't made of plastic or have good hair. He is the only candidate who is a STATESMAN. Listen to him speak and you'll hear the passion he has for preserving the Constitution and promoting individual Liberty. He abhors the collective, socialist mindset that most Americans are enthralled by in these modern times. He constantly talks about the Founders. He Constantly talks about the Constitution. He doesn't look for ways to circumvent the Constitution but to turn the central government back towards a government bound by the Constitution. So many of you look only at the Party you're affiliated with. You don't care about Liberty. You simply want your party to win and the rest be damned. You want the central government to grow larger and larger. Beat Obama is the constant drumbeat. Well, Obama beat himself as the natural law of economics makes it's adjustments to the US economy. You no longer care about the rule of law. Most don't even care about the Constitution. Even fewer care about Liberty. Liberty is the only thing that matters. Government by it's very nature hates Liberty. Government hates you. And your children. And your grandchildren. Government is a self serving entity. And you're just someone to be farmed and harvested by government to expand it's power over you. It has been this way with every government throughout history. The governments we have at all levels is no different. The worst of the worst though is found in D.C. It's enslaving you and has been enslaving you since 1861... [/QUOTE]
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