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<blockquote data-quote="dutchwrangler" data-source="post: 1618846" data-attributes="member: 4650"><p>What is the United States?</p><p></p><p>Let's look at the first constitution, the Articles of Confederation... </p><p></p><p>Article 1. The stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America."</p><p></p><p>Article 2. Each State retains it's sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right, which in not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.</p><p></p><p>Article 3. The said states hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other for their common defence, the security of their liberties and their mutual and general welfare; binding themselves to assist each other against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade or other pretence whatever.</p><p></p><p>And so forth with the balance of the document. As Article 2 points out, the United States was not a "country or nation". It is nothing more than a group of like minded entities gathered together for mutual defense and benefit. Each state is Sovereign. That is the key to understanding the confederation.</p><p></p><p>Thus, since each state is sovereign, the group that resulted decided upon the name "United States"... the very same way that all of us on this forum gather here and are OSA. We're still all sovereign individuals yet we belong to OSA as a means of advancing the 2A.</p><p></p><p>Moving onto the current Constitution, the Preamble continues with the confederation mindset of the Articles with the first sentence: "We the People of the United States..." and concludes with, "... do ordain and establish this Constitution <span style="color: #FF0000"><strong>for</strong></span> the United States of America."</p><p></p><p>It's imperative that the context of that last sentence be understood and the highlight of the word "for". The Framers understood the need for the Constitution to be a LIMIT OF POWER on the central governing body. The entire Constitution is a restriction on the governing body called the "United States". It is not a restriction on the individuals or the sovereign States of the group. No more than the OSA rules of conduct are binding on each member when not on the forum. This distinction of what is the "United States" has been lost on most Americans. The Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution DID NOT establish a nation. It established a governing body and named it "United States". It's no different in that respect than the United Nations.</p><p></p><p>Thus, when reading the Constitution, it can be seen that each reference to the "United States" is making a reference to the governing body that is to be bound and limited by the Constitution. Article 1, Section 1 makes this point at the very beginning: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a <em>Congress of the UNITED STATES</em>, which shall consist of a Senate and a House of Representatives." This reiterates and reaffirms the Preamble and continues with the philosophy expounded in the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation and the 9th and 10th Amendments. This understanding that the Constitution is a LIMIT on the governing body is the key to all the political debate.</p><p></p><p>This simple concept has been lost on Americans over time, especially since the conflict of 1861-1865 where the central government pushed for an end to the sovereignty of the States in an attempt to unify the States into "one nation"... which we are not in spite of the anti-Constitutional "Pledge of Allegiance" written by a known socialist.</p><p></p><p>The "United States" is nothing more than a governing body for a mutual compact of the sovereign States to deal with a select number of enumerated tasks in order to promote uniformity among the differing sovereign States. That in a nutshell is the <em>federal</em> system that the Framers presented to the States for ratification. Read those ratification debates by the different States to understand that is how they viewed the Constitution and how it would be used. What exists today is completely 180° the opposite. The governing body known as the "United States" which was birthed by the parent States has morphed into the parent and the States are now the children. It calls the shots which is completely backwards of what the Framers intended. The "United States" is the new King George. Read the Declaration of Independence and see how many of the listed grievences can be applied to the current central government. And ask yourself, what the hell happened?</p><p></p><p>Read the founding documents (DoI, the Articles, the Constitution), the letters, the debates, the Anti-Federalist and Federalist papers, "The Law" by Bastiat, the works of Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams. Read the views of Jefferson and Madison. None of those words advocate the creation of a nation. They only advocated a confederation for mutual support and defense. Nothing more, nothing less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dutchwrangler, post: 1618846, member: 4650"] What is the United States? Let's look at the first constitution, the Articles of Confederation... Article 1. The stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America." Article 2. Each State retains it's sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right, which in not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled. Article 3. The said states hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other for their common defence, the security of their liberties and their mutual and general welfare; binding themselves to assist each other against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade or other pretence whatever. And so forth with the balance of the document. As Article 2 points out, the United States was not a "country or nation". It is nothing more than a group of like minded entities gathered together for mutual defense and benefit. Each state is Sovereign. That is the key to understanding the confederation. Thus, since each state is sovereign, the group that resulted decided upon the name "United States"... the very same way that all of us on this forum gather here and are OSA. We're still all sovereign individuals yet we belong to OSA as a means of advancing the 2A. Moving onto the current Constitution, the Preamble continues with the confederation mindset of the Articles with the first sentence: "We the People of the United States..." and concludes with, "... do ordain and establish this Constitution [COLOR="#FF0000"][B]for[/B][/COLOR] the United States of America." It's imperative that the context of that last sentence be understood and the highlight of the word "for". The Framers understood the need for the Constitution to be a LIMIT OF POWER on the central governing body. The entire Constitution is a restriction on the governing body called the "United States". It is not a restriction on the individuals or the sovereign States of the group. No more than the OSA rules of conduct are binding on each member when not on the forum. This distinction of what is the "United States" has been lost on most Americans. The Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution DID NOT establish a nation. It established a governing body and named it "United States". It's no different in that respect than the United Nations. Thus, when reading the Constitution, it can be seen that each reference to the "United States" is making a reference to the governing body that is to be bound and limited by the Constitution. Article 1, Section 1 makes this point at the very beginning: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a [I]Congress of the UNITED STATES[/I], which shall consist of a Senate and a House of Representatives." This reiterates and reaffirms the Preamble and continues with the philosophy expounded in the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation and the 9th and 10th Amendments. This understanding that the Constitution is a LIMIT on the governing body is the key to all the political debate. This simple concept has been lost on Americans over time, especially since the conflict of 1861-1865 where the central government pushed for an end to the sovereignty of the States in an attempt to unify the States into "one nation"... which we are not in spite of the anti-Constitutional "Pledge of Allegiance" written by a known socialist. The "United States" is nothing more than a governing body for a mutual compact of the sovereign States to deal with a select number of enumerated tasks in order to promote uniformity among the differing sovereign States. That in a nutshell is the [I]federal[/I] system that the Framers presented to the States for ratification. Read those ratification debates by the different States to understand that is how they viewed the Constitution and how it would be used. What exists today is completely 180° the opposite. The governing body known as the "United States" which was birthed by the parent States has morphed into the parent and the States are now the children. It calls the shots which is completely backwards of what the Framers intended. The "United States" is the new King George. Read the Declaration of Independence and see how many of the listed grievences can be applied to the current central government. And ask yourself, what the hell happened? Read the founding documents (DoI, the Articles, the Constitution), the letters, the debates, the Anti-Federalist and Federalist papers, "The Law" by Bastiat, the works of Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams. Read the views of Jefferson and Madison. None of those words advocate the creation of a nation. They only advocated a confederation for mutual support and defense. Nothing more, nothing less. [/QUOTE]
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