A pretty good rule of thumb when trying to calculate a "right" price, is subtract about 30% (+/-) from the MSRP.
The Sigma always worked for me. They are not target pistols and the groups are somewhat large at times
Dealer cost is about 60% of MSRP, so these will be found for around $375-425 street price most likely. The VTAC M&P is the one I'm most interested in (mainly for the sights):
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http://gunnuts.net/2010/05/21/smith-wesson-mp-vtac-pistols/
I just wish it came with a threaded barrel.
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