thank you. finally an actual answer to my question. i appreciate it
thank you. finally an actual answer to my question. i appreciate it
people will believe what they want to believe. The reality is that it's all politics and neither side ever really has the moral high ground. The Dems picked DACA to take their stand, the Republicans waited until the 11th hour to try to fund CHIP and are using it as their 'but think of the children!' moment.
Trump appears to have wanted it tied to funding for the border wall (one that some here thought wasn't actually a physical wall when trump first suggested it, as well as one that they said mexico would pay for).
This isn't about any disagreement for funding the government. It's about all sides trying to demand to get what they want and being unwilling (prior to the shutdown) to work together to reach an agreement to keep things running. Everyone is pandering to their base and desperately searching for the next slogan to slap on a direct mailer so they can raise funds to get reelected.
looks like the 'deal' to extend the government for a short period failed, but not along party lines.
full AP article here.
full AP article here.
Amendment XIV
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Once the debt is made, by law, doesn't congress have to authorize the payment?
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Once the debt is made, by law, doesn't congress have to authorize the payment?
Having had two tours in Washington, DC, I am continually amazed that so many people think Congress HAS to do anything. Once elected, they collectively and individually do as they please. I wish more people would think about that, because your last control is who you elect.
A look back at every government shutdown in U.S. history
Jennifer Earl16 hours ago
A shutdown occurs when Congress and the president fail to sign into law 12 appropriations bills to continue providing funding for government operations. (Reuters)
With the countdown clock ticking, a divided Congress is racing to reach a compromise in order to prevent a government shutdown by midnight Friday.
Republicans control the Senate but they still need 60 votes in order to break a filibuster.
"When you only have 51 votes in the Senate, then you have to have Democrat support in order to keep the government — to fund the government," OMB Director Mick Mulvaney told reporters during a White House press briefing Friday.
The White House is preparing for what some officials are dubbing a “Schumer shutdown," Mulvaney said.
If that happens, it would be the first shutdown the government has seen in almost five years.
The government has shut down a total of 18 times since Congress introduced the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act, which established the federal budget process in 1976. Half of those shutdowns occurred over a weekend.
"I call them 'fake shutdowns,'" Marc Goldwein, senior policy director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget – a bipartisan, nonprofit organization that educates the public on fiscal policy issues – told Fox News. “Most shutdowns occur over the course of a weekend. We’re talking days or weeks – not months.”
But there has been a handful of lengthy government shutdowns in the history of the U.S. According to data from the Congressional Research Service (CRS), six shutdowns in the past four decades lasted more than 10 days.
However, Goldwein says, only three of those shutdowns are significant.
Two occurred during the Clinton administration in the winter of 1995 to 1996 when former President Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress were at odds and shut the government down for a total of 26 days, Goldwein said.
The third occurred during the Obama administration in 2013. A stalemate between the House and Senate led to a 16-day hiatus.
Here’s a look back at every government shutdown in the history of the U.S.
President Gerald Ford
When: Thursday, Sept. 30 to Monday, Oct. 10, 1976
Duration: 10 days
The first partial shutdown occurred under Gerald Ford’s presidency when Ford vetoed a $56 billion spending bill for the Departments of Labor and Health, Education and Welfare, according to a 1976 report from The New York Times.
This was the year the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act became law, allowing Congress to take an extension, known as a continuing resolution (CR).
President Jimmy Carter
When: Friday, Sept. 30 to Thursday, Oct. 13, 1977
Duration: 12 days
When: Monday, Oct. 31 to Wednesday, Nov. 9, 1977
Duration: 8 days
When: Wednesday, Nov. 30 to Friday, Dec. 9, 1977
Duration: 8 days
There were three shutdowns, referred to as the "abortion shutdowns," in the late 1970s under the presidency of Jimmy Carter. The Democratic party may have dominated both the House and the Senate, but they couldn't get Republicans on board when it came to using Medicaid to pay for abortions.
When: Saturday, Sept. 30 to Wednesday, Oct. 18, 1978
Duration: 17 days
In 1978, Carter vetoed a $37 billion defense authorization bill, which included a $2 billion nuclear-powered Nimitz-class aircraft carrier -- equipment he didn't consider essential to national security, The Washington Post reported. This led to the second largest shutdown in the history of the nation.
When: Sunday, Sept. 30 to Friday, Oct. 12, 1979
Duration: 11 days
Another funding gap took place a year later when the House and Senate disagreed over raising pay by 5.5 percent for members of Congress and senior civil servants, The Washington Post reported. And there was yet again another debate over abortion funding.
President Ronald Reagan
When: Friday, Nov. 20 to Monday, Nov. 23, 1981
Duration: 2 days
President Ronald Reagan vetoed a spending bill because it didn't make enough cuts.
When: Thursday, Sept. 30 to Saturday, Oct. 2, 1982
Duration: 1 day
The government shut down for one day when Congress failed to pass the spending bill on time.
When: Friday, Dec. 17 to Tuesday, Dec., 21, 1982
Duration: 3 days
Both the House and Senate wanted to increase public works spending in order to create more jobs -- a move Reagan opposed. The House also opposed MX missile funding, which, The Washington Post noted, was a "major defense priority" of Reagan's.
When: Thursday, Nov. 10 to Monday, Nov. 14, 1983
Duration: 3 days
Reagan argued over the Democratic-controlled House's proposed foreign aid and spending cuts and their plea for an increase in funding for education. At the same time, Reagan was pushing for more funding for the MX missile.
Eventually, both parties reached an agreement.
When: Sunday, Sept. 30 to Wednesday, Oct. 3, 1984
Duration: 2 days
In short, Reagan agreed to the House's proposed crime-fighting package, but he opposed their water projects package.
"Reagan offered to forgo his crime bill in exchange for junking the water package...but a deal wasn't reached in time to avoid a brief shutdown," The Washington Post reported.
When: Wednesday, Oct. 3 to Friday, Oct. 5, 1984
Duration: 1 day
Lawmakers reportedly needed another day to discuss the spending bill.
When: Thursday, Oct. 16 to Saturday, Oct. 18, 1986
Duration: 1 day
The Democratic-controlled House was once again in disagreement with Reagan and the Republican-controlled Senate. This time, over a welfare package deal.
When: Friday, Dec. 18 to Sunday, Dec. 20, 1987
Duration: 1 day
Reagan and Democrats couldn't agree on funding for Nicaraguan "Contra" militants. Democrats also pushed to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine," which required licensed broadcasters to give equal air time for people with competing political points of view.
President George H.W. Bush
When: Friday, Oct. 5 to Tuesday, Oct. 9, 1990
Duration: 3 days
Only one shutdown took place during George H.W. Bush’s presidency. It occurred in October 1990 after Bush vetoed a stopgap spending bill, The New York Times reported at the time.
But the timing was right. The shutdown happened over Columbus Day weekend and most federal workers were already off for the holiday.
President Bill Clinton
When: Monday, Nov. 13 to Sunday, Nov. 19, 1995
Duration: 5 days
President Bill Clinton vetoed a continuing resolution in November 1995 over Medicare premium increases.
"The government is partially shutting down because Congress has failed to pass the straightforward legislation necessary to keep the government running without imposing sharp hikes in Medicare premiums and deep cuts in education and the environment," Clinton said during an address on Nov. 14, 1995.
When: Friday, Dec. 15, 1995, to Saturday, Jan. 6, 1996
Duration: 21 days
It's the longest shutdown in U.S. history: 21 days.
The government shut down after Clinton vetoed the spending bill proposed by the Republican-controlled Congress.
After a long 22 days, the president and Congress agreed to a seven year budget plan, which included "modest spending cuts and tax increases," according to research by the Regional Oral History Office at the University of California, Berkeley.
President Barack Obama
When: Monday, Sept. 30 to Thursday, Oct. 17, 2013
Duration: 16 days
Seventeen years later, the government shut down once again. Lawmakers couldn't seem to come to an agreement on the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, in 2013.
The House passed several versions of the bill to fund the government. But each time, the Senate sent it back.
“This is an unnecessary blow to America,” Harry Reid, the Senate democratic leader at the time, said of the shutdown.
John Boehner, the House speaker during the shutdown, said Republicans were fighting to keep the government open, but the Senate "continued to reject our offers.”
Very good post!!!
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I see this Shutdown alternatively as a Qualitative Analysis for the Reactive Power of the so called Deep State. These are the people most directly effected and with the greatest ability to show their displeasure. The longer this imbroglio lasts, the more likely it is to Precipitate a display of Power coming from the Agencies where ‘no one’ was elected to positions of Power. Remember what happened to JFK? Well, we don’t really know anything about that for sure....
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White92coup that responded after your question gave a good detailed response. Saved me from all that typing
What? Democrats care more about ******* criminals than hard working Americans?
Im shocked. Just a state of utter disbelief.
Im shocked. Just a state of utter disbelief.
And cnn nails another one:
CNN: Gov’t Shutdown Risks an Undetected Asteroid Strike
CNN: Gov’t Shutdown Risks an Undetected Asteroid Strike
‘It will have a real cascading effect on the economy’
Now that the government is shutdown, Planet Earth risks ... an undetected asteroid strike!
That's the warning coming from CNN, anyway.
Reporter Tom Foreman on Friday hyped the threat posed by the government shutdown, citing a pause in some senior nutrition programs, a loss of scientific research, and NASA's asteroid monitoring system. Worse, an asteroid is coming February 4th, he said.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would back down its flu tracking program even as the nation faces the worst outbreak in years," Foreman said. "Some senior nutrition programs would be paused. 200,000 passport applications went unprocessed in 1995. Congress funds much of the scientific research done in this country. In 2013, that meant some experiments went on hold in 2013 and suffered costly losses of data."
"In space same year, for more than two weeks, NASA reportedly stopped monitoring potentially dangerous asteroids," he added. "A big one, by the way, is expected to brush by Earth on February 4th."
Foreman acknowledged that most services people associate with the federal government — security services, Social Security, the post office, air traffic controllers — would all remain unaffected.
More of their nonsense here:
https://news.grabien.com/story-cnn-govt-shutdown-risks-undetected-asteroid-strike
CNN: Gov’t Shutdown Risks an Undetected Asteroid Strike
CNN: Gov’t Shutdown Risks an Undetected Asteroid Strike
‘It will have a real cascading effect on the economy’
Now that the government is shutdown, Planet Earth risks ... an undetected asteroid strike!
That's the warning coming from CNN, anyway.
Reporter Tom Foreman on Friday hyped the threat posed by the government shutdown, citing a pause in some senior nutrition programs, a loss of scientific research, and NASA's asteroid monitoring system. Worse, an asteroid is coming February 4th, he said.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would back down its flu tracking program even as the nation faces the worst outbreak in years," Foreman said. "Some senior nutrition programs would be paused. 200,000 passport applications went unprocessed in 1995. Congress funds much of the scientific research done in this country. In 2013, that meant some experiments went on hold in 2013 and suffered costly losses of data."
"In space same year, for more than two weeks, NASA reportedly stopped monitoring potentially dangerous asteroids," he added. "A big one, by the way, is expected to brush by Earth on February 4th."
Foreman acknowledged that most services people associate with the federal government — security services, Social Security, the post office, air traffic controllers — would all remain unaffected.
More of their nonsense here:
https://news.grabien.com/story-cnn-govt-shutdown-risks-undetected-asteroid-strike
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