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<blockquote data-quote="opnblstr" data-source="post: 1070449" data-attributes="member: 1647"><p>I'm a longtime GLOCK hater...until I got a G17 Gen 4 about a month ago. It really changed my mind on GLOCKs.</p><p></p><p>This is really becoming my favorite now. I run it with no added backstraps and it doesn't point like a GLOCK at all - a very good thing (for me). Installed .125 10-8 rear and .125 Hienie front black sights and did basic trigger smoothing and that's it. The new recoil system sucks up a lot of the flip and curiously makes the gun feel the same no matter what loads I shoot through it. It also makes the gun cycle very fast. The new mag release is PERFECT. The RTF3 texture absolutely does not need grip tape or aftermarket stippling. I highly recommend trying the Gen 4 in person - GLOCK got a lot right on this one.</p><p></p><p>Lance is spot on regarding the M&P. They have an extraction issue with some of the 9mm guns - not all of them. Most run 100% out of the box - others won't digest 100 rounds without the extractor slipping off the cases - and the cases will usually just drop right out of the chamber when you clear it - they're NOT stuck. The malfunctions can usually be fixed with a new extractor or the old one can be remachined and hardened by someone knowledgeable with the problem. One very old batch of M&Ps left the factory with chambers that had rough radial machine marks in the chambers that didn't help matters much. If you're buying used watch for that. I'm not going to bash them any more than that - S&W just needs to make a few minor changes to get four nines reliability. Hopefully they do it quick because it's a very good gun!</p><p></p><p>If you're thinking M&P, definitely go PRO. There is a HUGE difference in shootability (recoil, torque, and recovery) between the standard 4" and the PRO. M&P triggers can be tuned to feel quite nice and light if that's your thing. Weight, overtravel, and reset distance are all adjustable by a knowledgeable smith. The PRO uses a through hardened sear so it doesn't need surface hardening after machining and stoning it.</p><p></p><p>Funny thing about GLOCKs is when you see one choking, it's almost always a gun that's had aftermarket barrels, springs, etc installed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="opnblstr, post: 1070449, member: 1647"] I'm a longtime GLOCK hater...until I got a G17 Gen 4 about a month ago. It really changed my mind on GLOCKs. This is really becoming my favorite now. I run it with no added backstraps and it doesn't point like a GLOCK at all - a very good thing (for me). Installed .125 10-8 rear and .125 Hienie front black sights and did basic trigger smoothing and that's it. The new recoil system sucks up a lot of the flip and curiously makes the gun feel the same no matter what loads I shoot through it. It also makes the gun cycle very fast. The new mag release is PERFECT. The RTF3 texture absolutely does not need grip tape or aftermarket stippling. I highly recommend trying the Gen 4 in person - GLOCK got a lot right on this one. Lance is spot on regarding the M&P. They have an extraction issue with some of the 9mm guns - not all of them. Most run 100% out of the box - others won't digest 100 rounds without the extractor slipping off the cases - and the cases will usually just drop right out of the chamber when you clear it - they're NOT stuck. The malfunctions can usually be fixed with a new extractor or the old one can be remachined and hardened by someone knowledgeable with the problem. One very old batch of M&Ps left the factory with chambers that had rough radial machine marks in the chambers that didn't help matters much. If you're buying used watch for that. I'm not going to bash them any more than that - S&W just needs to make a few minor changes to get four nines reliability. Hopefully they do it quick because it's a very good gun! If you're thinking M&P, definitely go PRO. There is a HUGE difference in shootability (recoil, torque, and recovery) between the standard 4" and the PRO. M&P triggers can be tuned to feel quite nice and light if that's your thing. Weight, overtravel, and reset distance are all adjustable by a knowledgeable smith. The PRO uses a through hardened sear so it doesn't need surface hardening after machining and stoning it. Funny thing about GLOCKs is when you see one choking, it's almost always a gun that's had aftermarket barrels, springs, etc installed. [/QUOTE]
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