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<blockquote data-quote="english kanigit" data-source="post: 2845537" data-attributes="member: 4701"><p>A couple of things here, most have already been hit by others. </p><p></p><p>The only reason I would ever use a suppressor is to attempt to minimize the damage to my hearing or those who I care about. For HD work, in my estimation, a rifle should really have a can. That becomes an absolute requirement for an SBR.. Nothing says 'manly' like having blown your own ear drums. For pistols, in my opinion, the juice is not anywhere near worth the squeeze. </p><p></p><p>Yes, a suppressor will most likely be seized with a gun as evidence even though there is absolutely no need for them to do so. It will likely be kept until a case and any criminal/civil trials that were spawned by it have concluded. If you're lucky it'll probably be tossed into an evidence locker as-is and not cleaned or cared for. If you aren't people will be finger-banging it or trying to 'disappear' it into their private collection. I don't even want to think about the **** that would roll downhill on to a person that attempted to conceal the fact that they had used one. Prosecutors are political animals who live and breathe for the opportunities to string people up; it's how they validate themselves to their bosses and to the system that employs them. Don't give them any additional ways to hook you up. They are just as much a threat to your freedom as a citizen as the dirtbags that might try to use violence against you. </p><p></p><p>As far as lowlight and muzzle flash is concerned it isn't even on the list of things that I think about with a pistol. As has been said actually having a light on (like you should!) makes it hard to even notice. Even without this, quality defensive ammunition from modern domestic manufacturers typically has flash suppressants blended into the powders used and they are very effective compared to regular ammunition. While a flash can still be seen from the muzzle you'll have more important things to be concerned with as will the target. Much-ado about nothing so far as I'm concerned. Give it a shot some time at an indoor range with the lights out or in the country in a safe place and find out for certain with your gun/caliber/ammunition choices so that you'll know. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Getting back to pistols and cans </p><p>Pistols are loud but unless you're running some sort of überblaster9000 BS or +P+ mega-deathray loads it probably won't be permanently debilitating. Probably. That said I care a lot more for knowing with absolute 100% certainty that I've not done anything that could negatively impact the reliability of a defensive pistol. UMB alluded to a suppressor giving an assailant leverage over the shooter and this is a big concern. Potentially you have only one wrist with which to support and attempt to retain your blaster. It's highly likely that you'll need your other hand to defend yourself, protect your nugget, operate a phone or flashlight. The wrist is not a terribly strong joint. It can be aided in the endeavor of retaining said blaster by sucking it up tight next to the torso in a position of retention. With a can on the pistol it would still be protruding out from the body of the shooter. This means that in a scuffle it'd be all to easy to have it grabbed or knocked out of alignment with an assailant in addition to the likelihood that any force against the suppressor would keep the gun from cycling assuming it didn't take the firearm out of battery in the first place and render it unable to fire. Fighting over pistols is an exceptionally effective way of inducing malfunctions. Magazines get ejected either by accident or by choice, clothing gets caught in slides, body parts prevent slides from cycling and that bastard Murphy is a ring-side spectator waiting for things to go wrong. You can get some first-hand experience with this by taking a quality Force-on-Force class with a reputable instructor. Craig Douglas comes immediately to mind as he does yearly classes in this area. You can see some of these issues in this highlight reel from a few years ago: <a href="http://youtu.be/1eM9NygM2oM" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/1eM9NygM2oM</a> . Make note of how often dudes are having to clear malfunctions, especially one-handed, and then think of trying to do that with a suppressor hanging off the blaster. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Furthermore, I have serious qualms about how strong the threaded union between the suppressor and the barrel is. I could totally see this getting bent or broken rolling around on the ground with some skel while fighting over the gun or guns. If that were to happen I think a baffle strike would be the least of one's concerns. Shooting the suppressor OFF the gun or having a round exit through the side in an errant direction seem quite likely to me. </p><p></p><p>I know several folks who choose to run suppressors on handguns for HD. They are well-trained and well-prepared folks and I do not disparage their choices. For me though I don't find the pros to outweigh the cons. </p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p>Ek </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="english kanigit, post: 2845537, member: 4701"] A couple of things here, most have already been hit by others. The only reason I would ever use a suppressor is to attempt to minimize the damage to my hearing or those who I care about. For HD work, in my estimation, a rifle should really have a can. That becomes an absolute requirement for an SBR.. Nothing says 'manly' like having blown your own ear drums. For pistols, in my opinion, the juice is not anywhere near worth the squeeze. Yes, a suppressor will most likely be seized with a gun as evidence even though there is absolutely no need for them to do so. It will likely be kept until a case and any criminal/civil trials that were spawned by it have concluded. If you're lucky it'll probably be tossed into an evidence locker as-is and not cleaned or cared for. If you aren't people will be finger-banging it or trying to 'disappear' it into their private collection. I don't even want to think about the **** that would roll downhill on to a person that attempted to conceal the fact that they had used one. Prosecutors are political animals who live and breathe for the opportunities to string people up; it's how they validate themselves to their bosses and to the system that employs them. Don't give them any additional ways to hook you up. They are just as much a threat to your freedom as a citizen as the dirtbags that might try to use violence against you. As far as lowlight and muzzle flash is concerned it isn't even on the list of things that I think about with a pistol. As has been said actually having a light on (like you should!) makes it hard to even notice. Even without this, quality defensive ammunition from modern domestic manufacturers typically has flash suppressants blended into the powders used and they are very effective compared to regular ammunition. While a flash can still be seen from the muzzle you'll have more important things to be concerned with as will the target. Much-ado about nothing so far as I'm concerned. Give it a shot some time at an indoor range with the lights out or in the country in a safe place and find out for certain with your gun/caliber/ammunition choices so that you'll know. Getting back to pistols and cans Pistols are loud but unless you're running some sort of überblaster9000 BS or +P+ mega-deathray loads it probably won't be permanently debilitating. Probably. That said I care a lot more for knowing with absolute 100% certainty that I've not done anything that could negatively impact the reliability of a defensive pistol. UMB alluded to a suppressor giving an assailant leverage over the shooter and this is a big concern. Potentially you have only one wrist with which to support and attempt to retain your blaster. It's highly likely that you'll need your other hand to defend yourself, protect your nugget, operate a phone or flashlight. The wrist is not a terribly strong joint. It can be aided in the endeavor of retaining said blaster by sucking it up tight next to the torso in a position of retention. With a can on the pistol it would still be protruding out from the body of the shooter. This means that in a scuffle it'd be all to easy to have it grabbed or knocked out of alignment with an assailant in addition to the likelihood that any force against the suppressor would keep the gun from cycling assuming it didn't take the firearm out of battery in the first place and render it unable to fire. Fighting over pistols is an exceptionally effective way of inducing malfunctions. Magazines get ejected either by accident or by choice, clothing gets caught in slides, body parts prevent slides from cycling and that bastard Murphy is a ring-side spectator waiting for things to go wrong. You can get some first-hand experience with this by taking a quality Force-on-Force class with a reputable instructor. Craig Douglas comes immediately to mind as he does yearly classes in this area. You can see some of these issues in this highlight reel from a few years ago: [url]http://youtu.be/1eM9NygM2oM[/url] . Make note of how often dudes are having to clear malfunctions, especially one-handed, and then think of trying to do that with a suppressor hanging off the blaster. Furthermore, I have serious qualms about how strong the threaded union between the suppressor and the barrel is. I could totally see this getting bent or broken rolling around on the ground with some skel while fighting over the gun or guns. If that were to happen I think a baffle strike would be the least of one's concerns. Shooting the suppressor OFF the gun or having a round exit through the side in an errant direction seem quite likely to me. I know several folks who choose to run suppressors on handguns for HD. They are well-trained and well-prepared folks and I do not disparage their choices. For me though I don't find the pros to outweigh the cons. Regards, Ek Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [/QUOTE]
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