U of Miami, Death Penalty ?

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from the other end of the spectrum. something to think about....

Former University of Miami offensive lineman Adam Bates wrote this in regards to the NCAA amid the investigation regarding UM. Bates, who hails from Deer Creek, Oklahoma, was a walk-on at UM from 2003-05. He received a B.A degree in Political Science at the University of Miami and a law degree and Master's in Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Michigan.


I want to talk about the hypocrisy of the NCAA and, by extension, its constituent school administrations; the very people that have enriched themselves so shamelessly on the backs of the kids they’re soon to righteously delight in punishing.

First, a little background: I had it easy at the University of Miami, and it often felt like it was too much to bear. I had an easier time in class than most of my teammates, and far less was expected of me on the football field. I went to school on academic money and I played football because I wanted to and because I had played my whole life, not because it was the only way for me to get through school or make a better life for myself and my family. I can’t speak about what it’s like to be a high profile recruit, an All-American, or a future NFL star and the pressures such statuses entail. But I can tell you this: college football is a grind.

The NCAA says players put in twenty hours a week. Anybody who has spent any time around a college program knows that sixty is a better number. Then add twelve to fifteen hours a week of class on top of that. Seventy-five hours a week, in exchange for a stipend mathematically designed to make your ends almost meet.

The president of the NCAA makes more than $1 million a year. Any head coach worth his salt is making two or three times that. Talking heads at ESPN/ABC/CBS and the presidents of most major institutions join them in the seven digit salary club.

That’s what this is really about, and people have to understand that. Why is it a problem for AJ Green to sell his jersey when the NCAA sells 22 variations of the very same jersey? Why can’t Terrelle Pryor get some free ink from a fan? Why don’t people react the same way to that as they do to hearing that Peyton Manning is selling phones for Sprint or that Tiger Woods gets paid $100m to wear Nike gear? What’s the difference?

The difference, as far as I can tell, is that the NCAA has done a wonderful job duping people into believing this multi-billion dollar a year industry is pursued for the sake of amateurism. It’s a total sham. The coaches aren’t amateurs, the administrators aren’t amateurs, the corporate sponsors and media companies that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year on the backs of these players aren’t amateurs. The only "amateurs” involved are the guys doing all the work. Pretty nice racket if you can get it.

The NCAA and ESPN are going to be telling you that some great kids are scumbags because they allegedly broke rules designed to keep them poor and implemented by people making money hand over fist. An ESPN shill in a $5,000 suit is going to ask you to morally condemn the kids who provide the framework for said shill to make enough money to afford that suit because those kids might have taken some free food and drinks. They're going to be called "cheaters" despite the obvious fact that boat trips don't make you run any faster or hit any harder.

Oklahoma gives Bob Stoops $3 million a year and nobody blinks. A car dealership in Norman gives Rhett Bomar a couple hundred bucks and everyone wets themselves. Urban Meyer sat on TV this very day, making approximately $1,500 an hour to sit there and flap his lips, and was asked to judge a bunch of 20 year old kids for allegedly accepting free food and drinks and party invites.

Is that immense delusion intentional or do people actually not realize the hypocrisy they perpetuate?

What’s that you say? The rules are the rules? I call b.s.. When the rules are propagated by the very same people they’re designed to benefit, I say the rules must be independently justifiable. What is the justification for saying that AJ Green can’t sell his jersey? That he won’t be an “amateur” anymore? Doesn’t the scholarship itself render him no longer an amateur by any objective definition? Doesn’t the fact that Georgia spent hundreds of millions of dollars advertising itself to AJ Green render him no longer an amateur? Doesn’t he stop being an amateur when UGA promises him that his career at Georgia will net him NFL millions? Doesn’t the fact that millions of dollars change hands thanks to the service he provides make him not an amateur?

Is it because athletes should be treated like other students, lest they not appreciate the “college experience?” Other kids get to sell their belongings, don’t they? They get to go to parties and drink and throw themselves at women, don’t they? They get to have jobs and earn their worth, don’t they? And other kids don't spend sixty hours a week having their bodies broken or their spring mornings running themselves to [rip] in the dew in the dark.

It’s nonsense. Unmitigated, indefensible nonsense. The players are “amateurs” for the simple reason that they’re cheaper to employ that way. What is bad about giving a poor kid some money to spend? What is wrong with showing your appreciation for the service someone provides by giving them some benefit of their own? I’m supposed to believe it’s wrong because the NCAA says it is?

These players are worth far more than a free trip to the strip club and a trip around the bay on a yacht. AJ Green is worth more to the NCAA and the University of Georgia than the cost of his jersey, and Terrelle Pryor is worth more than the value of a tattoo.

I don’t know much about players taking “illegal benefits,” and if I did I wouldn’t be snitching about it like a lowlife, but I can tell you this: I hope to the bottom of my soul that every player in America is on the take, because they’re getting shafted. The powers that be make too much money this way to ever change, and the rest of the country seems far too committed to delusions, institutional partisanship, and jealousy to see their own glass houses, so take what you can get while you can get it, youngbloods. You earned it.
 

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I have ZERO respect for that person. Regardless of what is "right", those are the rules and they are there for a reason. If paying was allowed, then only the big schools with the big boosters would be able to compete, because they would buy their wins. Its called integrity kid, I think you need to learn some.
 

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I have ZERO respect for that person. Regardless of what is "right", those are the rules and they are there for a reason. If paying was allowed, then only the big schools with the big boosters would be able to compete, because they would buy their wins. Its called integrity kid, I think you need to learn some.

Whether the students are actually being paid in $$$ or not its still the schools with the most money that field the best teams. Teams who win are more popular and draw more students and in turn make more money at their events. Those schools can then spend more money on recruiting and advertising their teams etc.

If you think money doesn't have anything to do with it and its all about integrity you are blind. As the article points out its all about money at the top.
 

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I know its all about money, my point is that a smaller school, like Ok State (of which I am a proud alumnus) can compete with the like of Texass, O-who and all those other schools because boosters are not allowed to pay student athletes. OU still cheats their way through each season but because it is illegal, it isn't flat-out pay for play like the guy that wrote that story suggests. Do I think players should be compensated for what they do? Yeah, I think they should be allowed a few things. Is selling a jersey an outright offense, no, but if they let it go, then you would see all manner of college athletes selling jerseys to boosters for tons of money. It is a slippery slope, you have to be careful. These athletes receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in free education for their efforts on the field and an opportunity to become household names. Pros make money for playing, student athletes recieve an education. Very few student athletes go pro, most get an education that they otherwise may have not recieved. Quit complaining. Oh and those coaches that make 3 mil a year (which there are not that many that make that much), they were students athletes too who have earned it the hard way, just like every other student athlete on the field. OSU is not immune, we all remember the days of Jimmy Johnson that got OSU the near DP (even though it was OU that got out of hand), and dexter manley is the dirty little secret that nobody wants to talk about, so I am not being blind. The writer of that story is a bitter person who does not understand the opportunities he was given. If he wanted to go through college on his own, he could have taken out loans like the rest of us.
 

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If paying was allowed, then only the big schools with the big boosters would be able to compete, because they would buy their wins.

You really think that isn't how it works now? Sure, Michigan gets upset buy a I-AA school every 100 years or so, but the BCS exists for a reason. Schools are divided into I-A, I-AA, II, and III for a reason. The BCS schools have better facilities than the Sunbelt schools for a reason.

Pretending otherwise is absolute naivety.
 

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I know its all about money, my point is that a smaller school, like Ok State (of which I am a proud alumnus) can compete with the like of Texass, O-who and all those other schools because boosters are not allowed to pay student athletes. OU still cheats their way through each season but because it is illegal, it isn't flat-out pay for play like the guy that wrote that story suggests. Do I think players should be compensated for what they do? Yeah, I think they should be allowed a few things. Is selling a jersey an outright offense, no, but if they let it go, then you would see all manner of college athletes selling jerseys to boosters for tons of money. It is a slippery slope, you have to be careful. These athletes receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in free education for their efforts on the field and an opportunity to become household names. Pros make money for playing, student athletes recieve an education. Very few student athletes go pro, most get an education that they otherwise may have not recieved. Quit complaining. Oh and those coaches that make 3 mil a year (which there are not that many that make that much), they were students athletes too who have earned it the hard way, just like every other student athlete on the field. OSU is not immune, we all remember the days of Jimmy Johnson that got OSU the near DP (even though it was OU that got out of hand), and dexter manley is the dirty little secret that nobody wants to talk about, so I am not being blind. The writer of that story is a bitter person who does not understand the opportunities he was given. If he wanted to go through college on his own, he could have taken out loans like the rest of us.

HA HA HA. Would you care to show how OU cheats every season? Any evidence? Just because you get beat 8 years in a row and counting doesn't mean we cheat. Bob Stoops keeps a lid on his boys, remember when the scandal broke about improper benefits being received by bomar and the offensive linemen. As soon as that was confirmed he kicked them to the curb. Your blind hatred makes you seem very naive. Remeber Hart Lee Dykes? Remember all the players under Les Miles? You guys are lucky Gundy came in and cleaned house or your program would be in the tubes from all the sanctions. Oklahoma is one of the cleanest programs around these days and even you guys are too now. I can't stand OSU and all their whining but i respect gundy for what he did when he came in. He could of turned a blind eye and gone on like les but he didn't. He acted like his brother cale's boss.
 

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I know its all about money, my point is that a smaller school, like Ok State (of which I am a proud alumnus) can compete with the like of Texass, O-who and all those other schools because boosters are not allowed to pay student athletes.

I went to both OSU, and OU. Do you think there is no correlation to the booster support in the last few years (including, but not limited to, Pickens), the betterment in facilities, increased recruitment of better players, and ability for OSU to complete? While the players didn't get 4 or 5 figures, the University got... what was it? 265 MILLION to athletics alone? No... the booster $$$ has nothing to do with it.

As I mentioned, I attended both State schools. Both the pot and the kettle are black, for sure. But if you think these NCAA regulations somehow keep a semblance of a level playing field, then you need to wrap you brain about how the money flows. Why fleece the players so the school (keep in mind, they are the Government) and other entities can prosper at their toil?

I mean, how many OU #28 jerseys would have been sold had AD not been wearing the number? Same with Dez at OSU, ad nauseum.
 

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HA HA HA. Would you care to show how OU cheats every season? Any evidence? Just because you get beat 8 years in a row and counting doesn't mean we cheat. Bob Stoops keeps a lid on his boys, remember when the scandal broke about improper benefits being received by bomar and the offensive linemen. As soon as that was confirmed he kicked them to the curb. Your blind hatred makes you seem very naive. Remeber Hart Lee Dykes? Remember all the players under Les Miles? You guys are lucky Gundy came in and cleaned house or your program would be in the tubes from all the sanctions. Oklahoma is one of the cleanest programs around these days and even you guys are too now. I can't stand OSU and all their whining but i respect gundy for what he did when he came in. He could of turned a blind eye and gone on like les but he didn't. He acted like his brother cale's boss.

This is true. If ou was cheating, they must be doing a poor job of it what with all the losses to Utah State, Boise State, Texas, Texas Tech etc... That or they are just losing at cheating...

All joking aside, anyone who thinks that there is a totally clean BCS football program is fooling themselves. It's in large part due to the complex and often ridiculous NCAA rules, but even if the coaches aren't directly involved there are too many boosters and too many players who feel entitled to keep any program clean. Four years working with college athletes has shown me just how much of a business college sports has become.

Mostly, though, it is the rules that are in place that lead to the cheating since even little things like accepting a combo meal at mcdonalds from a excited fan who wont take no for an answer is a violation of the rules.
 

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