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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 3987146" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>People do chase jobs, depending on the available job. Put in a chicken processing plant and watch your cities crime rate grow exponentially with the majority of people working that plant not able to speak English. </p><p>Watch businesses and restaurants advertising only in spanish develop. Engrish not seen anywhere on menu's.</p><p>We have that here.</p><p></p><p>I will say a lot of your comments were correct though. Refineries and Power Plants require a lot of pertinent skills relating to the job. I was on the interview crew when working at Sooner Power plant for new applicants. There was a college in South Dakota that offered an Associates degree in process engineering. We had a lot of applicants from that college that got hired because they had the education that we wanted to shorten the break-in period. </p><p>After a couple years of work, they would leave to go back to their home state or other states that offered higher paying jobs, as they had the training and background.</p><p>The local refinery in Ponca and OG&E started seeing that pattern so they got Northern Oklahoma College to start a process engineering degree that led to an Associates equal to the college in South Dakota. </p><p>When you have family and roots in a geographical location, it's easy to keep workers in that location. They don't normally wander off to other locations. </p><p>Almost all the graduates from NOC are getting hired within the state at chemical companies, refineries and power plants. Some are recruited out of state. </p><p></p><p>So, my thoughts on this subject is that the state colleges need to implement programs to educate folks on the skills required to attract business at higher skill levels than Vo-tech's offer. </p><p>Not talking about a bachelor's degree to be a full-blown engineer.</p><p>Companies look at the education levels of the locations they want to move to and the available workforce. V0-techs are great at teaching folks to be electricians, mechanics, auto body, and so on. They do not offer the intermediate higher skills refineries, power plants and other manufacturing facilities require like Instrumentation and control systems techs, Electricians trained in high voltage industrial electrical systems, and so on. That is specialized training.</p><p>I don't work in the aircraft industry but suspect a lot of the intermediate higher skilled folks employed off the street are prior military that got that training during their time of service. </p><p>I do understand there are several private companies out there teaching that currently with good results, so I could be mistaken on this part, but every person I knew that got into avionics in the military is working in that same job to this day. </p><p>Companies are always looking for perks as well for the corporate folks. They want to see the infrastructure of the proposed location to meet their needs to attract more help down the road. </p><p>Recreational facilities, hiking and bike trails, public transportation and so on. </p><p>As an example, Sooner Power Plant where I retired from is in the middle of nowhere. 20 miles from the nearest quick trip. When we put out a request for a job applicant, we got one or maybe two if that. Lots of jobs went empty until we took in someone and had to spend years in training. </p><p>The same company that has power plants in OKC would get reams of applicants when a job request was put out. It makes a difference. </p><p>Anyway, those are my thoughts on a Thursday evening as I've seen the corporate management of the Conoco refinery drain the corporate offices to head off to Houston to the point there is zero corporate jobs left in Ponca. Only refinery workers. We lost almost 5000 families leaving office buildings to be totally vacant as monoliths on the prairie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 3987146, member: 5412"] People do chase jobs, depending on the available job. Put in a chicken processing plant and watch your cities crime rate grow exponentially with the majority of people working that plant not able to speak English. Watch businesses and restaurants advertising only in spanish develop. Engrish not seen anywhere on menu's. We have that here. I will say a lot of your comments were correct though. Refineries and Power Plants require a lot of pertinent skills relating to the job. I was on the interview crew when working at Sooner Power plant for new applicants. There was a college in South Dakota that offered an Associates degree in process engineering. We had a lot of applicants from that college that got hired because they had the education that we wanted to shorten the break-in period. After a couple years of work, they would leave to go back to their home state or other states that offered higher paying jobs, as they had the training and background. The local refinery in Ponca and OG&E started seeing that pattern so they got Northern Oklahoma College to start a process engineering degree that led to an Associates equal to the college in South Dakota. When you have family and roots in a geographical location, it's easy to keep workers in that location. They don't normally wander off to other locations. Almost all the graduates from NOC are getting hired within the state at chemical companies, refineries and power plants. Some are recruited out of state. So, my thoughts on this subject is that the state colleges need to implement programs to educate folks on the skills required to attract business at higher skill levels than Vo-tech's offer. Not talking about a bachelor's degree to be a full-blown engineer. Companies look at the education levels of the locations they want to move to and the available workforce. V0-techs are great at teaching folks to be electricians, mechanics, auto body, and so on. They do not offer the intermediate higher skills refineries, power plants and other manufacturing facilities require like Instrumentation and control systems techs, Electricians trained in high voltage industrial electrical systems, and so on. That is specialized training. I don't work in the aircraft industry but suspect a lot of the intermediate higher skilled folks employed off the street are prior military that got that training during their time of service. I do understand there are several private companies out there teaching that currently with good results, so I could be mistaken on this part, but every person I knew that got into avionics in the military is working in that same job to this day. Companies are always looking for perks as well for the corporate folks. They want to see the infrastructure of the proposed location to meet their needs to attract more help down the road. Recreational facilities, hiking and bike trails, public transportation and so on. As an example, Sooner Power Plant where I retired from is in the middle of nowhere. 20 miles from the nearest quick trip. When we put out a request for a job applicant, we got one or maybe two if that. Lots of jobs went empty until we took in someone and had to spend years in training. The same company that has power plants in OKC would get reams of applicants when a job request was put out. It makes a difference. Anyway, those are my thoughts on a Thursday evening as I've seen the corporate management of the Conoco refinery drain the corporate offices to head off to Houston to the point there is zero corporate jobs left in Ponca. Only refinery workers. We lost almost 5000 families leaving office buildings to be totally vacant as monoliths on the prairie. [/QUOTE]
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