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Why we gotta have this forum-on-forum hate?: Thread about okshooters on opencarry.org
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<blockquote data-quote="hrdware" data-source="post: 2276293" data-attributes="member: 24475"><p>Mostly I agree with what okiebryan has said here.</p><p></p><p>Like okiebryan, I am also one of the Founders of the Oklahoma Open Carry Association. What I say below is my opinion and not specifically that of OKOCA. </p><p></p><p>I break down the posters here at OSA into the following groups: those that prefer OC, those that don't care, those that prefer CC because they aren't comfortable with OC, those that prefer CC for the "tactical advantage", and those against OC.</p><p></p><p>Those who are not comfortable enough to OC, shouldn't. It is a carry choice that one has to make and I for one would rather you carry comfortably and be sure of yourself than carry some other way and come off as a nervous nelly.</p><p></p><p>I do not believe there is any tactical advantage to CC vs OC. I would rather stop the crime before it begins because I am OC than have to stop it during the execution phase. Another person's gun in the hand will beat my draw speed every time. No matter how long or arduous a discussion people have on this topic, I don't think one side will ever convince the other of their beliefs.</p><p></p><p>Then you have the few that are either completely against OC (because of projecting irrationalities, appearances, or whatever other reasoning they have), or those that are OK with it as long as it fits into their view of the world. IMO, those who think someone should have a "need" to open carry in order to do so are, to me, as bad as those that think you should have a "need" to carry a firearm concealed, or a "need" simply to own a firearm.</p><p></p><p>I have seen posts in this thread (and I'm going to paraphrase) say they don't post on OCDO because the group over there doesn't like CC. It's a forum devoted to talking about open carry. I wouldn't say they don't like concealed carry, many people there have a CC license for their state, but the topic is about open carry. It's about like saying they don't like long guns because it's against the rules to talk about long guns...that's because the site is geared toward open carry of handguns. I don't go to Chevy forums to talk about the benefits of owning a Ford, why would you expect a niche site to cater to something outside of the focus. One of the nice things about OSA is that it is not a niche forum, there are topics about everything here. </p><p></p><p>Others have asked about open carry training, I would submit that open carry training is 99% identical to concealed carry training. You still have to worry about movement, using cover and concealment, your backstop, weapon retention, shooting from non-standard positions. The only additional piece of training would be retaining your firearm in the holster if someone should try to grab it. Honestly I think concealed carriers should worry about as well especially now that the CC laws have been relaxed regarding accidental exposure due to the ability to open carry. This extra bit of retention isn't exactly rocket science and even with the most wobbly nylon holster, this retention should be able to be maintained.</p><p></p><p>Situational awareness on the other hand is completely different. You either have it as part of your personality or you don't. It is very difficult to teach someone situational awareness, you have to modify their behavior and get them to stop looking at what is right in front of them and focus on what is all around them...all the time. Focusing on what is all around you (even behind you) all the time and filtering out what is not needed can be quite a challenge for a lot of people. I used to work in a small retail shop right out of high school. One of the managers would randomly walk up and ask how many people were in the store. Without looking he wanted you to be able to tell him and be within 1 or 2 people.</p><p></p><p>Some say that OC deteriorates our rights, I say it puts firearms in the light and shows people (those who actually notice) that it's not just the cops and bad guys that carry guns, but law abiding citizens carry firearms as well. To those establishments who don't allow OC but are fine with CC, it is their right to choose to make that decision, it is my right to go someplace else. However many OCers wonder about the logic of the decision. It is because the business doesn't want to turn people away so out of sight means out of mind and everyone can be happy? In OK, it may not be out of the question to ask someone to conceal because you have to have a permit to do either, other states have constitutionally protected OC and permitted CC so asking someone to cover up could be asking them to commit a crime.</p><p></p><p>Seems a lot of folks at OSA don't want to be painted with the big broad stroke of the brush, but some here have no problem using that brush against those who disagree with them.</p><p></p><p>All that being said, I do OC virtually every day, when and where I am able and have only had 1 license check, and a couple of positive interactions with other people. I also CC when required (we are not open to the public, no OC at work, but CC is perfectly fine).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hrdware, post: 2276293, member: 24475"] Mostly I agree with what okiebryan has said here. Like okiebryan, I am also one of the Founders of the Oklahoma Open Carry Association. What I say below is my opinion and not specifically that of OKOCA. I break down the posters here at OSA into the following groups: those that prefer OC, those that don't care, those that prefer CC because they aren't comfortable with OC, those that prefer CC for the "tactical advantage", and those against OC. Those who are not comfortable enough to OC, shouldn't. It is a carry choice that one has to make and I for one would rather you carry comfortably and be sure of yourself than carry some other way and come off as a nervous nelly. I do not believe there is any tactical advantage to CC vs OC. I would rather stop the crime before it begins because I am OC than have to stop it during the execution phase. Another person's gun in the hand will beat my draw speed every time. No matter how long or arduous a discussion people have on this topic, I don't think one side will ever convince the other of their beliefs. Then you have the few that are either completely against OC (because of projecting irrationalities, appearances, or whatever other reasoning they have), or those that are OK with it as long as it fits into their view of the world. IMO, those who think someone should have a "need" to open carry in order to do so are, to me, as bad as those that think you should have a "need" to carry a firearm concealed, or a "need" simply to own a firearm. I have seen posts in this thread (and I'm going to paraphrase) say they don't post on OCDO because the group over there doesn't like CC. It's a forum devoted to talking about open carry. I wouldn't say they don't like concealed carry, many people there have a CC license for their state, but the topic is about open carry. It's about like saying they don't like long guns because it's against the rules to talk about long guns...that's because the site is geared toward open carry of handguns. I don't go to Chevy forums to talk about the benefits of owning a Ford, why would you expect a niche site to cater to something outside of the focus. One of the nice things about OSA is that it is not a niche forum, there are topics about everything here. Others have asked about open carry training, I would submit that open carry training is 99% identical to concealed carry training. You still have to worry about movement, using cover and concealment, your backstop, weapon retention, shooting from non-standard positions. The only additional piece of training would be retaining your firearm in the holster if someone should try to grab it. Honestly I think concealed carriers should worry about as well especially now that the CC laws have been relaxed regarding accidental exposure due to the ability to open carry. This extra bit of retention isn't exactly rocket science and even with the most wobbly nylon holster, this retention should be able to be maintained. Situational awareness on the other hand is completely different. You either have it as part of your personality or you don't. It is very difficult to teach someone situational awareness, you have to modify their behavior and get them to stop looking at what is right in front of them and focus on what is all around them...all the time. Focusing on what is all around you (even behind you) all the time and filtering out what is not needed can be quite a challenge for a lot of people. I used to work in a small retail shop right out of high school. One of the managers would randomly walk up and ask how many people were in the store. Without looking he wanted you to be able to tell him and be within 1 or 2 people. Some say that OC deteriorates our rights, I say it puts firearms in the light and shows people (those who actually notice) that it's not just the cops and bad guys that carry guns, but law abiding citizens carry firearms as well. To those establishments who don't allow OC but are fine with CC, it is their right to choose to make that decision, it is my right to go someplace else. However many OCers wonder about the logic of the decision. It is because the business doesn't want to turn people away so out of sight means out of mind and everyone can be happy? In OK, it may not be out of the question to ask someone to conceal because you have to have a permit to do either, other states have constitutionally protected OC and permitted CC so asking someone to cover up could be asking them to commit a crime. Seems a lot of folks at OSA don't want to be painted with the big broad stroke of the brush, but some here have no problem using that brush against those who disagree with them. All that being said, I do OC virtually every day, when and where I am able and have only had 1 license check, and a couple of positive interactions with other people. I also CC when required (we are not open to the public, no OC at work, but CC is perfectly fine). [/QUOTE]
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