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Why we gotta have this forum-on-forum hate?: Thread about okshooters on opencarry.org
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<blockquote data-quote="Werewolf" data-source="post: 2276431" data-attributes="member: 239"><p>The above is the type of response re: OC that is at the very least annoying to those of us who OC.</p><p></p><p>Why do so many of the CC proponents assume that OC is a function of ego? Why?</p><p></p><p>No doubt some do OC for some egocentric reason but I would hazard a guess that most if not all of the OSA membership that OC's on a regular basis (of which I am one - 95% of the time) do not.</p><p></p><p>Here's why I OC - and my reasons have absolutely nothing to do with ego - in order of priority and I do use a retention holster (L2) and I have had retention training - though the training took place well over 30 years ago.</p><p></p><p><strong>1)</strong> OC is a deterent. I believe this based on both book learning and personal experience with predator behavior.</p><p></p><p><strong>2)</strong> In the event I need to put my weapon into use I can present it and be ready to use it in less than .7 seconds (note: that .7 secs is from about 4 years ago. Probably a bit longer now. I've noticed lately that my reflexes are starting to slow down with age). With CC I'm lucky to have it out and ready to go in less than 1.5 seconds (this too is probably longer now). Some of you guys may be able to pull your weapon out from under a shirt and have it ready to go in less than a second; if so then great. I cannot.</p><p></p><p><strong>3)</strong> Comfort - pure and simple. It's more comfortable to OC.</p><p></p><p><strong>4)</strong> If OC becomes common enough then it will become a non-event for those citizens that are not self defense oriented. It will not make them nervous. Some may even decide they too should become responsible for their own defense and join us. I am not responsible for the feelings of others though there are circumstances extant that practical considerations make it necessary to adjust some actions (like whether or not to OC or CC).</p><p></p><p><strong>And that's why I OC.</strong> Blunt and to the point.</p><p></p><p>That said: <strong>Do I believe that OC has some disadvantages? Sure I do.</strong> One disadvantage is that it makes some people nervous. I for one am pretty sure that on at least one occasion since November I've had a man with a gun call made on me. It wasn't a big deal. I showed the officer who showed up my permit and DL and we both went on our seperate ways none the worse for the wear. That's happened ONE time in almost 10 months. I can deal with that. And maybe some good came of it. Maybe the citizen will take less notice and be less nervous the next time she sees "a man with gun" and maybe that particular officer will be a bit less skittish the next time he has to deal with one of us who chooses to OC, maybe. </p><p></p><p><strong>Any other disadvantages to OC</strong>: Not many I would give much credence to. I freely admit that when I'm doing my daily exercise walk in my neighborhood I don't OC - though I used to. 2 reasons. 1st off there are lots of kids around and they invariably ask if I am a policeman (kids are a lot more observant than most adults or at least more willing to verbally notice than their elders). I say no and speak to them for a bit and we move on because they quickly lose interest. In one case the kid asked if I was a Doctor - kids - they connect the dots in the strangest ways some times. Nice kid though. We talk on an almost daily basis now and quite often his mom's sitting on the porch and waves as I walk by and she knows that I am carrying. </p><p></p><p><strong>The second reason I don't always OC</strong>: I've lived in my neighborhood for 26 years. Its not the same neighborhood. I'm not concerned with 1 or even two, let us say less than stellar and younger citizens, deciding they'd like to have a gun just like mine and taking it away from me. But 3 or 4 - they could probably get it if they really wanted it. Is that ever gonna happen? Odds are it won't but if we played the odds then most of us probably wouldn't be carrying at all - OC or CCW.</p><p></p><p>Push comes to shove - we're all gonna carry the way we feel most comfortable with. We may change a mind or two here or there and an OC'r will switch or a CCW'r will switch or most likely most of us will carry however the mood strikes us on any given day.</p><p></p><p>One final note: I'm not one of God's most diplomatic creations. But I try and when it comes to this subject going forward I will attempt to be more circumspect in my responses.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Werewolf, post: 2276431, member: 239"] The above is the type of response re: OC that is at the very least annoying to those of us who OC. Why do so many of the CC proponents assume that OC is a function of ego? Why? No doubt some do OC for some egocentric reason but I would hazard a guess that most if not all of the OSA membership that OC's on a regular basis (of which I am one - 95% of the time) do not. Here's why I OC - and my reasons have absolutely nothing to do with ego - in order of priority and I do use a retention holster (L2) and I have had retention training - though the training took place well over 30 years ago. [B]1)[/B] OC is a deterent. I believe this based on both book learning and personal experience with predator behavior. [B]2)[/B] In the event I need to put my weapon into use I can present it and be ready to use it in less than .7 seconds (note: that .7 secs is from about 4 years ago. Probably a bit longer now. I've noticed lately that my reflexes are starting to slow down with age). With CC I'm lucky to have it out and ready to go in less than 1.5 seconds (this too is probably longer now). Some of you guys may be able to pull your weapon out from under a shirt and have it ready to go in less than a second; if so then great. I cannot. [B]3)[/B] Comfort - pure and simple. It's more comfortable to OC. [B]4)[/B] If OC becomes common enough then it will become a non-event for those citizens that are not self defense oriented. It will not make them nervous. Some may even decide they too should become responsible for their own defense and join us. I am not responsible for the feelings of others though there are circumstances extant that practical considerations make it necessary to adjust some actions (like whether or not to OC or CC). [B]And that's why I OC.[/B] Blunt and to the point. That said: [B]Do I believe that OC has some disadvantages? Sure I do.[/B] One disadvantage is that it makes some people nervous. I for one am pretty sure that on at least one occasion since November I've had a man with a gun call made on me. It wasn't a big deal. I showed the officer who showed up my permit and DL and we both went on our seperate ways none the worse for the wear. That's happened ONE time in almost 10 months. I can deal with that. And maybe some good came of it. Maybe the citizen will take less notice and be less nervous the next time she sees "a man with gun" and maybe that particular officer will be a bit less skittish the next time he has to deal with one of us who chooses to OC, maybe. [B]Any other disadvantages to OC[/B]: Not many I would give much credence to. I freely admit that when I'm doing my daily exercise walk in my neighborhood I don't OC - though I used to. 2 reasons. 1st off there are lots of kids around and they invariably ask if I am a policeman (kids are a lot more observant than most adults or at least more willing to verbally notice than their elders). I say no and speak to them for a bit and we move on because they quickly lose interest. In one case the kid asked if I was a Doctor - kids - they connect the dots in the strangest ways some times. Nice kid though. We talk on an almost daily basis now and quite often his mom's sitting on the porch and waves as I walk by and she knows that I am carrying. [B]The second reason I don't always OC[/B]: I've lived in my neighborhood for 26 years. Its not the same neighborhood. I'm not concerned with 1 or even two, let us say less than stellar and younger citizens, deciding they'd like to have a gun just like mine and taking it away from me. But 3 or 4 - they could probably get it if they really wanted it. Is that ever gonna happen? Odds are it won't but if we played the odds then most of us probably wouldn't be carrying at all - OC or CCW. Push comes to shove - we're all gonna carry the way we feel most comfortable with. We may change a mind or two here or there and an OC'r will switch or a CCW'r will switch or most likely most of us will carry however the mood strikes us on any given day. One final note: I'm not one of God's most diplomatic creations. But I try and when it comes to this subject going forward I will attempt to be more circumspect in my responses. [/QUOTE]
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