WSJ: U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens

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WSJ.com - U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens

While I am normally more inclined to believe in government inefficiency, ineptitude, apathy, or general wasteful bureaucracy than conspiracy theories, this article from today’s Wall Street Journal gave me some pause. More so considering that this is only what is being reported and confirmed. It makes me wonder how much more information the government is really collecting/monitoring all in the name of protecting us from threats both domestic and foreign.

Will my words of inefficiency, ineptitude, and general wasteful bureaucracy come back to haunt me in future years????

It's not unreasonable to assume then that the NCTC will develop a profile monitoring gun purchases, flights taken/cities visited, VA health records, tax returns, military records, college loans, charitable contributions, mortgages, employment, and gambling trips (frequent player programs) to determine a would be terrorist.

Am I starting to sound paranoid????


U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens
By JULIA ANGWIN

Top U.S. intelligence officials gathered in the White House Situation Room in March to debate a controversial proposal. Counterterrorism officials wanted to create a government dragnet, sweeping up millions of records about U.S. citizens—even people suspected of no crime.

Not everyone was on board. "This is a sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public," Mary Ellen Callahan, chief privacy officer of the Department of Homeland Security, argued in the meeting, according to people familiar with the discussions.

A week later, the attorney general signed the changes into effect.

Through Freedom of Information Act requests and interviews with officials at numerous agencies, The Wall Street Journal has reconstructed the clash over the counterterrorism program within the administration of President Barack Obama. The debate was a confrontation between some who viewed it as a matter of efficiency—how long to keep data, for instance, or where it should be stored—and others who saw it as granting authority for unprecedented government surveillance of U.S. citizens.

The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. That is a departure from past practice, which barred the agency from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or related to an investigation.

Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited. Data about Americans "reasonably believed to constitute terrorism information" may be permanently retained.

The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own. In effect, U.S. and foreign governments would be using the information to look for clues that people might commit future crimes.

"It's breathtaking" in its scope, said a former senior administration official familiar with the White House debate.

Counterterrorism officials say they will be circumspect with the data. "The guidelines provide rigorous oversight to protect the information that we have, for authorized and narrow purposes," said Alexander Joel, Civil Liberties Protection Officer for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the parent agency for the National Counterterrorism Center.

The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution says that searches of "persons, houses, papers and effects" shouldn't be conducted without "probable cause" that a crime has been committed. But that doesn't cover records the government creates in the normal course of business with citizens.

Congress specifically sought to prevent government agents from rifling through government files indiscriminately when it passed the Federal Privacy Act in 1974. The act prohibits government agencies from sharing data with each other for purposes that aren't "compatible" with the reason the data were originally collected.

But the Federal Privacy Act allows agencies to exempt themselves from many requirements by placing notices in the Federal Register, the government's daily publication of proposed rules. In practice, these privacy-act notices are rarely contested by government watchdogs or members of the public. "All you have to do is publish a notice in the Federal Register and you can do whatever you want," says Robert Gellman, a privacy consultant who advises agencies on how to comply with the Privacy Act.

As a result, the National Counterterrorism Center program's opponents within the administration—led by Ms. Callahan of Homeland Security—couldn't argue that the program would violate the law. Instead, they were left to question whether the rules were good policy.

Under the new rules issued in March, the National Counterterrorism Center, known as NCTC, can obtain almost any database the government collects that it says is "reasonably believed" to contain "terrorism information." The list could potentially include almost any government database, from financial forms submitted by people seeking federally backed mortgages to the health records of people who sought treatment at Veterans Administration hospitals.

Previous government proposals to scrutinize massive amounts of data about innocent people have caused an uproar. In 2002, the Pentagon's research arm proposed a program called Total Information Awareness that sought to analyze both public and private databases for terror clues. It would have been far broader than the NCTC's current program, examining many nongovernmental pools of data as well.

"If terrorist organizations are going to plan and execute attacks against the United States, their people must engage in transactions and they will leave signatures," the program's promoter, Admiral John Poindexter, said at the time. "We must be able to pick this signal out of the noise."

Adm. Poindexter's plans drew fire from across the political spectrum over the privacy implications of sorting through every single document available about U.S. citizens. Conservative columnist William Safire called the plan a "supersnoop's dream." Liberal columnist Molly Ivins suggested it could be akin to fascism. Congress eventually defunded the program.

The National Counterterrorism Center's ideas faced no similar public resistance. For one thing, the debate happened behind closed doors. In addition, unlike the Pentagon, the NCTC was created in 2004 specifically to use data to connect the dots in the fight against terrorism.

Even after eight years in existence, the agency isn't well known. "We're still a bit of a startup and still having to prove ourselves," said director Matthew Olsen in a rare public appearance this summer at the Aspen Institute, a leadership think tank.

The agency's offices are tucked away in an unmarked building set back from the road in the woodsy suburban neighborhood of McLean, Va. Many employees are on loan from other agencies, and they don't conduct surveillance or gather clues directly. Instead, they analyze data provided by others.

The agency's best-known product is a database called TIDE, which stands for the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment. TIDE contains more than 500,000 identities suspected of terror links. Some names are known or suspected terrorists; others are terrorists' friends and families; still more are people with some loose affiliation to a terrorist.

TIDE files are important because they are used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to compile terrorist "watchlists." These are lists that can block a person from boarding an airplane or obtaining a visa.

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And none of this would have been possible – even thinkable – before 9/11. Amazing how one event could set into motion the building blocks of a tyrannical, controlling government, and with the approval of the citizens who are losing their rights and liberties. One event that was necessary to set into motion some of the things that were previously drawn up, just waiting on “one event” to put them into motion.

“The PATRIOT Act was written many, many years before 9/11,” (Ron) Paul said. The attacks simply provided “an opportunity for some people to do what they wanted to do,” he said.
 

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I was wondering if anyone else saw this. Now I don't have to post it. Yep this is a definite wake up call to the ones that have still been sleeping
 

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I was wondering if anyone else saw this. Now I don't have to post it. Yep this is a definite wake up call to the ones that have still been sleeping

But it won't be. Look at this very forum; Reddog got ten times more views from a thread asking what "whiskey tango foxtrot" means. People just don't care that they're under a system of surveillance that would make the old Soviets jealous. But put up a post about a "gunbuster" sign at some obscure choke & puke, and people get all up in arms about someone trampling their right to show off their side arm. You can't make this sh*t up.

Scary thing is there seems to be more people who are a bit more aware of this creeping oppression on this forum than I've met in the rest of the general public. That shoud tell you something.
 

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But it won't be. Look at this very forum; Reddog got ten times more views from a thread asking what "whiskey tango foxtrot" means. People just don't care that they're under a system of surveillance that would make the old Soviets jealous. But put up a post about a "gunbuster" sign at some obscure choke & puke, and people get all up in arms about someone trampling their right to show off their side arm. You can't make this sh*t up.

Scary thing is there seems to be more people who are a bit more aware of this creeping oppression on this forum than I've met in the rest of the general public. That shoud tell you something.

very good points.
 

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Its funny one of my house mates delivers the Oklahoman and I guess saw this on the newsstand and brought the paper home and showed it to me. How the hell did we get here? The way the article reads its like they were having coffee talk and brainstormed this hole thing into fruition
 

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