Religious Topics and Questions

[Okie4570]

Grace, only extended towards believers... But what happens to that grace with unbelievers?

Grace with strings attached is not grace at all.

I don't think there is such a thing as "grace with strings attached". That would be rules and consequenses, which is old covenent and not new convenent, new convenent being based on grace and Christ being the only way to gain salvation

 

[OKMike]

Great discussion, by the way

 

[MaddSkillz]

But without some cost, what is it worth to most humans?

Oh believers have a special place in the grand scheme of things that's why the Bible says...

1 Timothy 4:10
For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Notice it doesn't say, "but only believers."

 

[WTJ]

No matter how you cut it, you can't not take credit for your own salvation and yet Jim Bob has damned himself due to his choices.

As long as Jim Bob had an opportunity to choose of his own free will, that would be a correct statement IMO. We are afforded the choice of salvation, but we must choose. You get credit for the decision, and not the salvation.

 

[beast1989]

agreed, good talkin'

 

[MaddSkillz]

Unbelievers choose not to accept the grace, it's there they just don't choose it, so God being the hard a$$ he is says "sorry charlie, burn in hell" Grace is extended to all, we all don't accept. Still thinking about the strings attached part

So salvation is up to us even though the bible says it's "not of ourselves." C'mon, don't you see the contradiction?

Well, I don't believe "hell" is biblical... The lake of fire is, but not hell.

 

[WTJ]

Great discussion, by the way

It is, and it remains civil, almost reverent. Interesting.

 

[MaddSkillz]

As long as Jim Bob had an opportunity to choose of his own free will, that would be a correct statement IMO. We are afforded the choice of salvation, but we must choose. You get credit for the decision, and not the salvation.

No, we can take no credit.

Romans 12:3
For through the grace given to me, I say, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Plus, if we could take any credit at all... Wouldn't that set us up to be boasters? And doesn't the Bible say no man can boast? Why, yes it does.

 

[OKMike]

We are saved by Grace through faith, it is not of ourselves. If you must do something to become saved, you undo that.

Ugh, why am I the only one seeing this?

The grace is of god, faith is of man. Am I oversimplifying that? Should I be looking/thinking deeper?

 

[WTJ]

No, we can take no credit.

Romans 12:3
For through the grace given to me, I say, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


Plus, if we could take any credit at all... Wouldn't that set us up to be boasters? And doesn't the Bible say no man can boast? Why, yes it does.

I would say that the sober thought would be to accept or decide, and as the measure of faith is dealt, you must choose. Would a statement of acceptance qualify as a boast? I don't know. That would depend on the heart of the person, I think. The answers for each of us are there. The brain doesn't always work well where faith is concerned for me.