Israel going in?

[Lurker66]

One side is willing to live in peace and work with the other if their security needs are met, the other side isn't...it's pretty clear.

BS, Israel says one thing and does another. Isreal needs land. Read Netanyahu's speeches. He repeatedly says and stresses Israels need to "naturally" expand. Where the fukc are they gonna expand too? Gaza and the west bank, thats where.

Netanyahu has changed his stance from making Palistinians citizens of Isreal to supporting a separate state for Palistinians. He is a typical politician, always changing his stance, double talking and outright lying.

This little skirmish is all about Isreals need for expansion. When this spat is over Israels border/security zone will be larger and Gaza and West bank will be smaller.

 

[Hobbes]

IF the people of Gaza had a thriving economy based on free trade they would have something to lose and it might give them pause.
IF they had free movement and travel they would have something to lose.
There are few things more dangerous than an enemy with nothing left to lose.

Some people have begun to talk openly of genocide and ethnic cleansing though as a solution.

Mothers of all Palestinians
must be killed

Ayelet Shaked a ranking member of the Israeli Parliment
called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give
birth to "little snakes."

"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they
cannot bear any more terrorists. They are all our enemies and their
blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the
dead terrorists.”

"Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom
he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and
their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the
mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers
and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be
more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in
which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes
will be raised there."

The Times of Israel—a right-leaning though not notoriously extreme Jerusalem-based news site with a substantial online audience—has pulled down a piece it published today with the headline "When Genocide Is Permissible."

 

[SMS]

The people of Gaza would have free trade and freedom of movement if they'd kick Hamas to the curb and try to function as a country. They'd at least have a better shot at it I imagine.

The solution is simple. Israel isn't going anywhere. Stop attacking Israel and direct your energy and resources to developing your infrastructure and industry. Imagine what they could have already if the resources they used for all those tunnels and rockets had been diverted to the development of Gaza...crazy talk I know, it's easier to blame Israel.

If you want to live in peace, then do it.

If you want to annihilate Israel, fine, have at it. But don't ***** about your kids being killed when Israel doesn't go along with your stupid fu$king plan and fights back.

 

[Hobbes]

The people of Gaza would have free trade and freedom of movement if they'd kick Hamas to the curb and try to function as a country.

The solution is simple. Israel isn't going anywhere. Stop attacking Israel and direct your energy and resources to developing your infrastructure and industry. Imagine what they could have already if the resources they used for all those tunnels and rockets had been diverted to the development of Gaza...crazy talk I know, it's easier to blame Israel.

I agree.

Let us, our government mediators propose that as a compromise solution.

Israel and Egypt allow freedom of travel and free trade for the people of Gaza and in return there will be no attacks against Israelis.

 

[uncle money bags]

Hobbes, you say " some people" but only reference radical israelis. That is a part of the problem. Both your attitude and the radicals on both sides.

Israeli settlements are legitimate measures to expand buffer zones. If they were not being attacked on a regular basis I would think differently.

 

[SMS]

I agree.

Let us, our government mediators propose that as a compromise solution.

Israel and Egypt allow freedom of travel and free trade for the people of Gaza and in return there will be no attacks against Israelis.

Haven't they tried that? Seriously, hasn't that been on the table before? If one side will only be placated with the elimination of the other, how can there be any compromise or solution?

I believe that Israel could/would live with all of their neighboring states, including Gaza, if the attacks stopped. I don't, however, believe that the neighboring states would ever stop attacking Israel. Why is that so hard for folks to grasp?

Again, want to "push the Jews into the sea"? Fine, have at it but then don't come on my TV crying about your apartment house being blown up when things don't go according to plan.

 

[Hobbes]

Hobbes, you say " some people" but only reference radical israelis. That is a part of the problem. Both your attitude and the radicals on both sides.

Israeli settlements are legitimate measures to expand buffer zones. If they were not being attacked on a regular basis I would think differently.

I am not talking about far right radical groups. I've seen those.
No, we are talking about members of the gov that were elected by Israelis and we are talking about some of the major newspapers in the country.

Google it up.
Attitudes in Israel have changed considerably in the last several years.
This isn't the same Israel you used to know 20 yrs ago.

 

[Hobbes]

Haven't they tried that? Seriously, hasn't that been on the table before? If one side will only be placated with the elimination of the other, how can there be any compromise or solution?

I believe that Israel could/would live with all of their neighboring states, including Gaza, if the attacks stopped. I don't, however, believe that the neighboring states would ever stop attacking Israel. Why is that so hard for folks to grasp?

Again, want to "push the Jews into the sea"? Fine, have at it but then don't come on my TV crying about your apartment house being blown up when things don't go according to plan.

That is what the Hama's demands are.
They would agree to those terms but Israel won't/cant because it would be seen as a victory for Hama's.

 

[Lurker66]

The people of Gaza would have free trade and freedom of movement if they'd kick Hamas to the curb and try to function as a country. They'd at least have a better shot at it I imagine.

The solution is simple. Israel isn't going anywhere. Stop attacking Israel and direct your energy and resources to developing your infrastructure and industry. Imagine what they could have already if the resources they used for all those tunnels and rockets had been diverted to the development of Gaza...crazy talk I know, it's easier to blame Israel.

If you want to live in peace, then do it.

If you want to annihilate Israel, fine, have at it. But don't ***** about your kids being killed when Israel doesn't go along with your stupid fu$king plan and fights back.

"Netanyahu opposed the*Oslo accords*from their inception. During his term as prime minister in the late 1990s, Netanyahu consistently reneged on commitments made by previous Israeli governments as part of the Oslo peace process, leading American peace envoy*Dennis Ross*to note that "neither President Clinton nor Secretary [of State Madeleine] Albright believed that Bibi had any real interest in pursuing peace."[108]In a 2001 video, Netanyahu, reportedly unaware he was being recorded, said: "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo Accords]," "I said I would, but*... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."[109]However, this is clearly consistent with*Yitzhak Rabin's October 1995 statement to the Knesset on the ratification of the interim Oslo agreement: "B. The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term."

Heres some easy google foo reading. Type Netanyahu in your search bar, click on wikilinks, read about Netanyahus Politics. This man and Israel have no intentions for a peaceful resolution. Israels sole intent is to expand.

Remember at one time the Palestinians and Jews shared citizenship in Israel.

 

[dennishoddy]

Latest poll I saw from Israel said that more than 80% of its population approve of the way their government is handling this latest crisis.