121 years ago today...

[WhiteyMacD]

Indians get reparations every month in the form of a check. They also got part of their land back, hell of a lot more than african americans can say.

Thats the biggest load of crap I have every heard. I am Sioux, and at 1/4 I am certainly more Sioux than most "indians" in oklahoma. I have never got 1 check for my heritage, neither has anyone in my any of the lakota nations. The closest to "reparations" was a mutil million dollar settlement in the 80s for the Black Hills, which the Lakota nations still refuse to accept.

I know plenty of native families up here and seen the checks with my own 2 eyes brother. It is not technically called reparations but a trust responsibility. The government collects money and then re distributes the money back to the tribes and the natives aka the trustees. Not all tribes are a part of this though so if you are apart of a tribe or know people that are that tribe might not be in on the deal. Just like part of the casino's revenue is distributed out to enrolled members of the tribe.

And that isnt reparations. Thats paying people money that is owed to them. Those "distributions" are from oil and natural gas leases, farming leases etc. I have "white" land that earns royalties which are paid into a trust for tax purposes... guess thats reparations for being Anglo-Celt? Lastly, those distributions are only paid out to tribal members who have "stock" in the property. For instace, CNA tribes the land on reservations was portioned to tribal members. If you inherited some tribal land and sold it, guess what... no dividend for you.

This is one of them topics I hear so many people talk out their ass without knowing anything about.

I know all this because my dad's best friend may he rip was a full blood and was a council member of his tribe. The money he and his family received put all his kids through college.

Money that was entirely due to him based off royalties of land he owned.

The screwed up part is, they HAVE to let the US gov handle it for them via DOI/BLM/BIA.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

I agree the US government did some awful things to the Natives.

Fast forward 125 years.... (and I am not ignoring what when on in the iterim). Indian reservations are havens of addiction, they have tons of aid pumped into them and most families do not take advantage of the education that available to them. But they will take a income check from the Casino.

Call me a hardA$$... but it's time to assimilate. Move off the reservation. Take a place in the culture that is here. Will you loose your culture and identity? Yea, probably. My folks dont speak Gaelic anymore ... but we have people that keep the old ways alive. Indians are at that point...

I must applaude the Cherokee nation. They have done more with the what they got than any group in the country. I cannot say that for most of the Indians I've meet in the Dakotas or Arizona.

 

[WhiteyMacD]

I agree the US government did some awful things to the Natives.

Fast forward 125 years.... (and I am not ignoring what when on in the iterim). Indian reservations are havens of addiction, they have tons of aid pumped into them and most families do not take advantage of the education that available to them. But they will take a income check from the Casino.

Call me a hardA$$... but it's time to assimilate. Move off the reservation. Take a place in the culture that is here. Will you loose your culture and identity? Yea, probably. My folks dont speak Gaelic anymore ... but we have people that keep the old ways alive. Indians are at that point...

I must applaude the Cherokee nation. They have done more with the what they got than any group in the country. I cannot say that for most of the Indians I've meet in the Dakotas or Arizona.

There is no more medical (physical or mental health) aid being pumped into reservations than that which exists through IHS.

And thats great you applaud the Cherokees. If the Dakota tribes had a little more foot traffic through their reservations, maybe they could open casinos that are profitable and use those profits to start lucrative contracting firms and be good contributing people. Unfortunately, when your reservations is a half hour off a major highway and the population density is sparse at best, its hard to get an economic foothold.

The issue I take with your "move off the reservation" philosophy is that you put yourself in the same position as myself (1/4 sicangu oyate), my father(1/2 sicangu oyate) and my grandmother (full sicangu oyate), you have no say in tribal matters. Meaning if your tribe wants to spend 1 million dollars to keep the ghost dance alive instead of establishing some other worthwhile investment, you have absolutely no say.

What your propose would be that they leave the only, and I do mean ONLY, thing they have, their land. And to do what? Most arent educated because you are only educated to the level your schools provide. Make no bones about it. Oklahoma is rare when it comes to the wealth and ambition their tribes have. Save for a few eastern tribes who, again, have tribal land situated in areas that have high access, most reservations looks more like the shanty towns you find in 3rd world countries.

But, I do somewhat agree with you. They need to get off the rez and make something for themselves. Unfortunately for my grandmother that meant the harsh version of assimilation where you were beat for speaking your native language, you were told what type of education you were to get, and were not allowed to have any contact with your family until you were done with the program (which by the end, you actually believed being native was bad and had no desire to contact your family) OR you were put up for adoption. Those were the only 2 avenues off the rez for my tribe up till about 10 years ago. I thank GOD everyday I wasnt born there. And thats pretty sad.

For what its worth, I speak Scot Gael and Irish, but its a little different. We dont live on our ancestral land. In Scotland, Ireland, Manx, Cornwell, and Wales, there are significant portions that speak gaelic or gaelicesque languages and in some of those areas there are places where its all they speak. And lastly, I love your sig. I think its appropriate in the US as well. Hopefully, one day we(the American people) will have ours.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

well the good thing is that all the white americans know this is truly their land and therefore gives them rights to kick anybody else out that doesn't want to be here... i just don't understand everyone saying things like "all the mexicans need to get out of OUR LAND"...

 

[WhiteyMacD]

well the good thing is that all the white americans know this is truly their land and therefore gives them rights to kick anybody else out that doesn't want to be here... i just don't understand everyone saying things like "all the mexicans need to get out of OUR LAND"...

Hey, all I hope is that those mexicans treat us better than we treated the indians, if you know what I mean.

 

[cjjtulsa]

well the good thing is that all the white americans know this is truly their land and therefore gives them rights to kick anybody else out that doesn't want to be here... i just don't understand everyone saying things like "all the mexicans need to get out of OUR LAND"...

They never say "our land", they say "our country". There's a big difference.

I'm thinking South Africa is a good representation of the future treatment of White Americans, once they are the minority.

 

[SoonerATC]

Indians get reparations every month in the form of a check. They also got part of their land back, hell of a lot more than african americans can say.

Are you suggesting black people should get a check as well, for inhumanities they never personally experienced?

I didn't enslave anyone - why should I have to give money to my black neighbor (who was never enslaved), because of something someone did 200 years ago?

 

[jfssms]

I like this thread... I'll remain a European import (for awhile) I might just mosey downtown for my jackpot...Really guy's who among us Okies is without a sliver of native American blood?

 

[dennishoddy]

Are you suggesting black people should get a check as well, for inhumanities they never personally experienced?

I didn't enslave anyone - why should I have to give money to my black neighbor (who was never enslaved), because of something someone did 200 years ago?

Treatys with the Native American tribes stipulated they were legal as long as the sun shined, and the rivers ran.
Thats not the "exact" language, but close enough for this forum unless someone wants to do a little research.

 

[Jwryan84]

It's dang near 2012, get over it. If you don't want to live in this country without somebody giving you a hand out go somewhere else. Bitching about this is the same as the stupid lawsuits from 2011 post. People need to take some responsibility for them selves and quit crying and get to work for their fair share. No matter what color they are.