14 Mossberg 500 That ISN’T NFA!

[harley128]

My distributor offered this "firearm" to me as well yesterday, but I declined. I don't see any reason to take a chance for a few bucks. Gonna wait until this thing sorts itself out, if it does. Looks very flaky to me!

 

[MadDogs]

Supposedly they are a “weapon” and not a “shotgun” or “handgun” and because of their length being over 26” they are “legal”. Well and fine if every LEO got that memo.

I think they are really cool BUT not sure if I need one … as much as I want one.

 

[ssgrock3]

it is legit, Henrys guns in yukon has one. Slick, but for $400 not really necessary, but if a guy is set on having a shorty, the birdshead grip is the kicker that makes it legal, per the letter I read by the Batfe.

 

[HiredHand]

Patterning video of the Suarez Stakeout.

 

[Perplexed]

According to the BATF, it is legal. However, according to the State of Oklahoma, it probably is not - it was discussed a couple pages back. HiredHand posted the relevant Oklahoma statute, and I commented thusly:

There you have it. The State of Oklahoma defines a shotgun as having a barrel of at least 18 inches, and a sawed-off shotgun as any firearm that can discharge a series of projectiles and has a barrel less than 18" in length. It doesn't say the barrel actually has to be sawed off; it just calls it that if the barrel is less than 18" in length.

So the ATF calls the Mossberg 590 Shockwave a "firearm" but not a shotgun, while the State of Oklahoma would call it a sawed-off shotgun by virtue of it being "any firearm" that has a barrel less than 18" in length and which discharges a series of projectiles. So my reading of these statutes - thanks for posting them, HH - is that the 590 Shockwave would be illegal in the State of Oklahoma.

As mentioned earlier also, it probably won't be an issue if you have an encounter with a LE person working for the State of Oklahoma. However, if that person chooses to make an issue out of it - and I can see how it can happen, since the Shockwave really looks like a sawed-off shotgun - then quoting the BATF ruling might work. Until they looked up the state statute. Busted.

 

[Mad Professor]

I personally would not possess one in Oklahoma until the state statute is changed or the State Attorney General makes a ruling.
I'm not a fan of a shotgun without a shoulder though. And I have a 14" year NFA SBS already.

I think the most attractive part about this is the ability to avoid the tax stamp and approval process. It has very few advantages and many more disadvantages over more conventional firearms.

 

[harley128]

According to the BATF, it is legal. However, according to the State of Oklahoma, it probably is not - it was discussed a couple pages back. HiredHand posted the relevant Oklahoma statute, and I commented thusly:



As mentioned earlier also, it probably won't be an issue if you have an encounter with a LE person working for the State of Oklahoma. However, if that person chooses to make an issue out of it - and I can see how it can happen, since the Shockwave really looks like a sawed-off shotgun - then quoting the BATF ruling might work. Until they looked up the state statute. Busted.

That is exactly my feeling on this issue as well. Im steering clear until we hear more from OK

 

[HiredHand]

I thought OK2A at one point was working on a few bills that addressed the OK firearms definitions and would have those definitions match the federal ones.

 

[MrShooter]

I personally would not possess one in Oklahoma until the state statute is changed or the State Attorney General makes a ruling.
I'm not a fan of a shotgun without a shoulder though. And I have a 14" year NFA SBS already.

I think the most attractive part about this is the ability to avoid the tax stamp and approval process. It has very few advantages and many more disadvantages over more conventional firearms.

It's a great lil novelty gun. Other than that it's too risky for anything else.

 

[MadDogs]

I wrote our AG's office and have not heard back.