2nd Amendment Belongs Only in History Books Alongside Extinct Militias?

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You lost me at "pit bulls".

It is a breed of dog. Google "Nanny Dog" if you want more information.

You are probably already familiar with the breed though. This was the breed of several famous dogs: Pete from little Rascals, the dog on old RCA advertisements sitting next to the phonograph, the dog pictured on old WWII propaganda posters to symbolize the strength and loyalty of Americans (one of the most popular breeds at the time), etc. See link below for a more comprehensive list:

http://www.cesarsway.com/packgallery/packprofiles/Pit-Facts

More recently, they are used by the media as a tool to foment fear when there hasn't been a recent mass shooting. Fear sells even better than sex and violence and since minorities can now sue if they are the targeted for this purpose, defenseless dogs have become the next best option. Every year, there are an average of approximately 34 deaths caused by dogs of ALL breeds, just slightly less than the number of deaths caused by lightning strikes (40-50) and significantly less than black rifles (300-400) or drownings in swimming pools (several thousands).

Now, while these dogs are great pets for most people who taken the time to educate themselves about the breed before buying one, they are not for everybody. They are very powerful animals and REQUIRE lots of exercise and social contact with their people. Locking these dogs up on a chain or leaving them outside is ABUSE for this breed (or any other for that matter) and is highly cruel and irresponsible.

It should be noted, if you are looking for a dog to take to the dog park, this is not the breed for you. They were selectively bred for dog fighting so just as a bird dog hunts birds and a sheep dog herds sheep, this breed will fight other dogs (they may not start it, but they will likely stay till it's finished). They are also not recommended as guard dogs due to their fighting dog origin. Owners had to be able to separate dogs, even a they were in the midst of a fighting frenzy, without being bitten. For this reason, dogs prone to biting people were killed and NEVER bred because they were not profitable - other handlers refused to enter the "Pit" with a man biter. To reputable breeders, a fighting dog that bit his owner or the opponents handler was tantamount to a bird dog that wouldn't hunt. That said, just the sight of a friendly pit bull wagging its tail is often enough to send a criminal packing; and make gullible Kool-Aid drinking zombie types identify themselves (the only two positive benefits of the media's relentless attacks on the breed).

As with any abused animal, an abused Pit Bull can become dangerous and aggressive. So too can a dog from irresponsible breeding practices (but there is no such thing as an unpredictable dog, just ignorant people oblivious to a dogs body language). It is for this reason the breed accounts for more than its fair share of dog attacks. The media has shamelessly marketed this breed as the breed of choice for the monsters among us who shouldn't own a goldfish, much less a dog of any breed. Any breed popular among this irresponsible, cruel and abusive segment of the population people will account for more than its fair share of trouble (just like Saturday Night special handguns in the 70's). If these people traded their pit bulls for Labs, Labs would suddenly become the leading breed in the dog bite statistics (make guns illegal, knives, bats & ice piks take their place). Here in Tulsa, a small lab puppy recently killed a small child, not because it was a viscous puppy, but because it's idiot parents left the baby outside strapped in a car seat while they were passed out inside the house high on alcohol or some other drug.

Much like a firearm or any other powerful breed of dog, these dogs are perfectly safe in the hands of a caring responsible owner. As with firearms, some dogs may have a "Hair Trigger" (usually the result of human tampering) but they are still perfectly safe (and often better suited for a particular purpose) in the hands of a knowledgeable and responsible owner. Also like firearms, they can be dangerous in the hands of an ignorant (or abusive) or irresponsible owner and therefore should not be owned by just anyone. And finally, just like a firearm, anyone considering buying one should first be educated about the breed before hand so they can be a safe and responsible owner which will drastically reduce the chance of an accident.

I have two. I take both to restraunts with outdoor patios where we are usually overwhelmed by people who haven't "Drank the Kool Aid". Both love people and love all the attention they get. One I raised from a puppy and socialized from a young age with thousands of people and other dogs. He can be trusted with ANYBODY of ANY age at any time under any circumstances (Unless you attack a member of his family). The other is an abused rescue with a "Hair Trigger". I got him for free but would pay $3,000 for him and wouldn't sell him for less than $10,000. He is probably the most trainable, eager to please, dog I have ever seen, and I've seen thousands. He is friendly as can be once you have been welcomed in the house (wants to crawl in your lap and snuggle), but come in uninvited and you will need medical attention. He is a dog safest in the hands of an experienced dog owner much like a target pistol with a 2lb trigger is best left to an experienced shooter.
 
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"2nd Amendment Belongs Only in History Books Alongside Extinct Militias?"
Hmm. I'm not sure I accept the premise that Militias are Extinct. Dormant or in hibernation, perhaps, but still in existence and still capable of waking up should the situation demand.
 

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Of the 34 deaths by dogs, how many are by pits?

For arguments sake, assume every single one of them - 100% of 34. In other words, it doesn't matter. It is a silly question. It's like arguing certain long guns made by a specific manufacturer should be illegal by asking how many of the 300-400 deaths are caused by black guns, and of those how many are made by manufacturer X. ALL long gun deaths combined are less than the number of deaths caused by hammers. That is all a logical person needs to know to realize the terror they experience at the sight of a rifle is not rational.

Divide 34 by the population of the U.S. (approx 300 million), the result (.00000011333) is the maximum risk you face on an annual basis. You are about 1,250 times more likely to die in a car accident or 1.32 times more likely to be killed by lightning. Are you terrified at the sight of a car, a thunder storm, rifle, a hammer, a swimming pool, a bucket of water, packing materials? Do you think any of these things should be "Banned"? They all kill more people per year than ALL dog breeds combined.

If one can step back and think rationally for a second, It become obvious the killer dog stories and the mass fear that results is one pixel in a very large picture of a national tragedy - we are capable of believing anything if repeated often enough by the right people, no matter how ridiculous. The duped will even argue against reason once they become personally invested in the lie.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State (media) can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state (media) to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state (media)."
- Joseph Goebbels -

If people can be duped about something so plainly ludicrous as a specific breed of dog or a certain style of firearm being mass killers without thinking twice about it, kind of makes one wonder what other oft repeated lies we hold as truths and how many disastrous decisions might we have have made on the basis of those lies.

Welcome to 1984.
 
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To be clear - I am not for banning breeds of dogs, or types of weapons. Weapons are, last time I checked, inanimate objects, completely reliant on the user to activate. Dogs, including my own, act independently, regardless of breed or upbringing. My German Shepherd/Wolf/Whatever may be devouring the neighbor as I type this....I'm not with him, and he just may be hungry.

My guns, however, will not be a danger to anyone, unless another person uses them.
 

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Originally Posted by TedKennedy


Of the 34 deaths by dogs, how many are by purebred pits?


Fixed it for ya,.

.Not really fixed, there is only one confirming thing that makes a "purebred Pit"...and that is its ability to fight and Win in the ring
The rest are , bully breeds(different types of dogs bred to look a certain way) , canario's, mastiff's, sharpei's, austrailian shepard (talk about tenacious), boxer's , lab's ...throw in a few of your terrier breeds....and you end up with the general run-o-the mill.....scary...Pitbulls.
sorry for the threadjack



Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, Knowing the results....and doing it anyway...
 

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Originally Posted by TedKennedy


Of the 34 deaths by dogs, how many are by purebred pits?


Fixed it for ya,.

.Not really fixed, there is only one confirming thing that makes a "purebred Pit"...and that is its ability to fight and Win in the ring
The rest are , bully breeds(different types of dogs bred to look a certain way) , canario's, mastiff's, sharpei's, austrailian shepard (talk about tenacious), boxer's , lab's ...throw in a few of your terrier breeds....and you end up with the general run-o-the mill.....scary...Pitbulls.
sorry for the threadjack



Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, Knowing the results....and doing it anyway...

Well that's incorrect, they're a recognized breed with standards, so there are many "confirming things."

The point I was trying to make is that the way these staristics usually run, if a dog is half pitbull and half golden retriever and it attacks someone, that's considered a pitbull attack. It's the same if the dog is 3/4 golden.
These run-of-the-mill scary pitbulls are as much pitbull as I am a ginger haired, pale skinned, Native American
 

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These run-of-the-mill scary pitbulls are as much pitbull as I am a ginger haired, pale skinned, Native American
. My apologys ,I didnt mean to offend you.... ;)

>I understand your point now, but I still hold these "standards" you speak of are for a Different kind of dog ...Not a Pitbull.
And just to add to , birddogs and Chichidawgs are responsible for more bites than Most....
anyway i'm off the course ...I concur.... ;)
 
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