Friend of mine and I loaded up some 150gr Remington (I think) softnose with 17.5 grains of IMR4427 and am planning on using it for deer. Was going to take The Boy out for his first deer hunt this weekend, but I guess that isn't going to happen now. Oh well... maybe I'll take him to the range and let him shoot the can and some Remington retail subbies that I bought and he will have a good time.