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Set up the bell/powder drop die, assuming same die used for both, if not the bell die, is a try to fit situation. Find some cases that are lengthwise close to the shorter dimension. Keep adjusting bell until it is a LITTLE belled, enough to allow easy entry of the bullet base.

The crimp is a separate issue. Most semi-auto crimp dies are of the taper crimp variety, not the roll crimp. In general, think taper for semi-auto pistols and roll for revolvers. Taper crimp as well as roll is also a try, measure and adjust function. For taper crimp find some brass measuring on the thin end of mouth thickness; collect measurement. Now do some math. Add the measured mouth thickness X 2, plus measured actual bullet diameter (both down to .001"). Now subtract .001" for taper crimp. That's the measured number to work for, screwing your seat die in/out until your final test load round measures this goal number. Too little taper crimp = feeding malfunctions. Too much taper crimp = loss of accuracy. On the 40 S&W the goal number I run with is .421".

In some cases the .001 crimp allowance doesn't work well, as in 9 mm. It takes more (down to a .375 +.001") due to the relatively sharply tapered case.

After you set for taper crimp or if you change bullets being loaded perform the bullet push in test on a loaded round. With moderately strong pushing hand pressure, push the nose of a loaded round against a solid object, such as the lip of your loading bench. If the bullet telescopes into the case increase the crimp slightly, then test again. The consequence of a bullet telescoping into the case on loading into a barrel is excess, possibly dangerous, chamber pressures. Personal injury and/or gun damage can be the outcome.

If you don't own a set of 6" metal calipers, get some. The imported dial-style can be had for as little as $25 or so. The electronic direct read-out are only a few bucks more. The really good ones will set you back over a C-note but aren't really necessary for most reloading applications.
 
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Depending on which die set you have, some of them crimp and seat with the same die. If you have one of those die sets, you have to work back and forth screwing the seating stem out as you screw the die in further to add more crimp. That may be your problem.
 

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Set up the bell/powder drop die, assuming same die used for both, if not the bell die, is a try to fit situation. Find some cases that are lengthwise close to the shorter dimension. Keep adjusting bell until it is a LITTLE belled, enough to allow easy entry of the bullet base.

The crimp is a separate issue. Most semi-auto crimp dies are of the taper crimp variety, not the roll crimp. In general, think taper for semi-auto pistols and roll for revolvers. Taper crimp as well as roll is also a try, measure and adjust function. For taper crimp find some brass measuring on the thin end of mouth thickness; collect measurement. Now do some math. Add the measured mouth thickness X 2, plus measured actual bullet diameter (both down to .001"). Now subtract .001" for taper crimp. That's the measured number to work for, screwing your seat die in/out until your final test load round measures this goal number. Too little taper crimp = feeding malfunctions. Too much taper crimp = loss of accuracy. On the 40 S&W the goal number I run with is .421".

In some cases the .001 crimp allowance doesn't work well, as in 9 mm. It takes more (down to a .375 +.001") due to the relatively sharply tapered case.

After you set for taper crimp or if you change bullets being loaded perform the bullet push in test on a loaded round. With moderately strong pushing hand pressure, push the nose of a loaded round against a solid object, such as the lip of your loading bench. If the bullet telescopes into the case increase the crimp slightly, then test again. The consequence of a bullet telescoping into the case on loading into a barrel is excess, possibly dangerous, chamber pressures. Personal injury and/or gun damage can be the outcome.

If you don't own a set of 6" metal calipers, get some. The imported dial-style can be had for as little as $25 or so. The electronic direct read-out are only a few bucks more. The really good ones will set you back over a C-note but aren't really necessary for most reloading applications.

Thank you much, Sir. I'm crimping with just enough so that I can not move it with a reasonable amount of force. I do own the Calipers, both the digital and dial-style type. My measurements are consistent based off the particular case wall thickness of the case used.

Mike

Depending on which die set you have, some of them crimp and seat with the same die. If you have one of those die sets, you have to work back and forth screwing the seating stem out as you screw the die in further to add more crimp. That may be your problem.

Thank you too, Sir. I'm using the hornady seat/ crimp die combo. I was not having any trouble with seating depth but just with the amount of crimp to use, it seemed like I was using far more than the last guy that was adjusting his so I wanted to ask. I'm now adding just enough crimp so that I can't move the bullet on a completed round when pushing it against something with a reasonable amount of force, all while keeping the seating depth on the money. It was a little frustrating at first but worked out finally.

Mike



I've got the 40 S&W figured out, with your guys help, but have "bigger" problems to deal with now. Please see the photo. Glad Hornady has a lifetime guarantee including shipping both ways for the repairs. Just without a press for now. 😕

I'm still wondering how it broke. Just looked down and there it was, broken. Hopefully they don't take too long to ship it back to me.

Thanks again.
 

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Yep, it sure did. I have a single stage hornady press ordered and should arrive within a few days. I was wanting another anyway for certain things not feasible for the AP but wish it wouldn't have come about this way.
 

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