Ban people on terrorism watch list or no-fly list from owning firearms?

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abajaj11

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This is the latest attempt, IMHO, by the anti 2Aers, led by Bloomberg and supported by POTUS, to try another "reasonable sounding" approach to start confiscation.

Initially they tried "universal background checks" and still continue to bring them up, but people are wise now to the fact that UBC is just a path to registration of all firearms (because how will government KNOW a background check is done on every sale, if they don't know that the sale actually took place. And to know that a sale took place, you need to know who owned the firearm at he start of the sale. )

At present, for your constitutionally protected RKBA to be taken away, you need to be a CONVCTED FELON, who has had due process, protected by US law.

Taking away RKBA from someone on the "terrorism" watch list or ANY kind of scarily named list seems like a "reasonable" approach.
However, it is a HUGE change in the status quo, because if passed, it will allow the constitutionally protected RKBA to be taken away from someone simply if they were named by a bureaucrat, without the due processes afforded to a convicted felon.

Once such an act is made legal and precedent is set, all sorts of lists could be created with scary names: "mentally dangerous and threat to others" list, or ""dissenter and inciter" list. All of these could be used to take away RKBA. Along with UBC, this is another prong in the anti-RKBA-ers approach to disarm the USA.

The only thing that stops bad people with weapons is good people with weapons.
 
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abajaj11 - this same point has come up in several other threads. The anti-2A folks seem all too willing to strip citizens of a Constitutionally guaranteed right via a shadowy process with no notification requirements and no due process protections. As one article pointed out - the criteria that should be used are fairly clear but who may make the determination, upon what evidence, and how the accused can refute any such determination are problematic. I also have to ask myself, if a person is so dangerous as to merit being kept from flying then why is that person not too dangerous to drive to where he wishes to go? Or why is he not being arrested?

A surveillance list, based upon evidence and with judicial warrant for any necessary taps/searches, is KN to me, as is a "no fly" list that keeps out non-US citizens based upon suspected illegal activity. However, US citizens and legal residents not only deserve, but have guaranteed, legal protections that cannot simply be ignored.
 

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A terrorist watch list or a no-fly list that is not subject to due process is effectively an "enemies list" and I do not trust any administration to develop such a list - witness the IRS targeting individuals and organizations for political purposes...
 

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Seem to notice that gungrabbing politicians are real big on executive orders without enabling legislation.
Probably think they were elected King, or some such Feudal title? Just trying to keep control of the serfs?
 

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It has begun

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...jor-Public-Safety-Announcement-361438091.html

Legislation has also been introduced in the IL legislature to do the same.

Politicians banning things to make us all safer is all the rage these days.

Lawless is this Governor, yes. Fail he will?

His state LE agencies have access to those lists already, via membership in the JTTF. To utilize those lists to deny the citizens of his state their 2nd Amendment rights without Due Process is wholly unconstitutional, not to mention removal of their access authority.

I hope the NRA, GOA and others will seek an immediate injunction in federal court against Governor Dipshit. :(
 

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Funny how the libs say it's unconstitutional to stop invaders from coming to the US, but have absolutely no problem violating the constitution to stop Americans from getting guns.
 

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The UBC is the first step towards disarmament, because it necessitates registration.
Banning people on lists is them testing the water on how far they can breach the constitution in a "common sense" way.
 

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