Bar Owner shoots unruly patron

[owassopilot]

Story says OSBI is working to solve this case. Looks to me like the bar owner already solved it on behalf of everyone.

http://www.newson6.com/story/14462601/bar-owner-shoots-kills-unrule-patron-in

 

[338Shooter]

In before we don't know the whole story.

 

[owassopilot]

In before we don't know the whole story.

Let's see..

1) Drunk man causes stir at bar and is peacefully removed.
2) Instead of leaving, drunk man returns with knife and starts attempting to stab other people.
3) Employees and patrons retreat into the bar and call police/bar owner. (Oklahoma law does not REQUIRE people to retreat)
4) Drunk man still does not leave, but instead returns again with a gun and starts to shoot at people gathering around.
5) Bar owner, in defense of the people, and himself, returns fire.
6) Drunk man dies out of sheer stupidity.

These are FACTS as presented by the OSBI to the media. Will the bar owner get sued...probably so. Only concern I have for him is whether he had a CCL, which would legally allow him to carry outside of his home. Let's just hope the SDA does what it is intended to do and protect him from criminal prosecution.

Lessons learned:

1) Alcohol and guns don't mix! Don't take your gun to a bar and get drunk, even if it's in your car.
2) If you get kicked out of a bar, go home.
3) If you wave a gun and knife around shooting at people, expect there to be consequences, including death.

You are correct, we don't know the whole story...but it seems the OSBI is very forthcoming here on what happened, which is exactly opposite of what would have occurred had they felt there was something criminal in the bar owner's actions.

 

[Phat Mike]

ouch that must have been some wild beer there !

 

[HMFIC]

Looks like the guy killed was the former assistant fire marshall in Lawton...

 

[henschman]

Sounds like a very cut and dried case of homicide justified by defense of another.

If the bar owner violated any laws at all, it would be limited to firearm carry laws (if he didn't have a CCL, or if he was carrying the firearm openly, or if it was a loaded rifle/shotgun or something), in which case it is just a misdemeanor.

Even if he did violate some misdemeanor weapon carry law, he was completely justified in killing the other man, by the inalienable law of nature as well as by the law of Oklahoma. Even if he was illegally carrying a weapon, he was merely going somewhere that he had every right to be, and came across a situation in which deadly force was justified, because he reasonably believed the drunk man to be wrongfully threatening others with death or grave bodily harm.

This act of bravery deserves admiration from us all... especially if the gentleman didn't have a CCL and was risking possible prosecution to defend innocent lives.

 

[HMFIC]

I also believe one of the bar owners is an attorney.

 

[dutchwrangler]

One less drunk on the streets...

 

[HMFIC]

more details on the guy who got shot....

http://swoknews.com/main.asp?SectionID=11&SubSectionID=98&ArticleID=34162&TM=26368.69

A bar altercation early Sunday morning in Medicine Park led to the shooting death of former assistant Lawton Fire Marshal Charles Tim Taylor.
According to a statement released by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, employees of the Park Tavern led Taylor outside the bar after several incidents. Patrons had complained after Taylor became disruptive and rowdy. According to the statement, once they were outside, Taylor pulled a knife and tried to stab bar employees and patrons.
"These individuals ran inside the bar, locked the doors and called 911 and the bar's owner," the statement said. "The bar's owner arrived to the scene moments before police. By this time, Taylor had returned with a firearm."
A crowd had gathered outside the bar and Taylor started firing his weapon at them, and inside the bar, the OSBI reported. According to the statement, the bar owner also had a firearm and fired back at Taylor, killing him.
"No one else was injured other than the man who was shot by the owner," said Jessica Brown, OSBI spokesperson.
The Comanche County Sheriff's Department and Medicine Park Police Department were at the scene and later turned the investigation over to the OSBI. Agents spent much of the early morning interviewing individuals at the bar. The details of the investigation will be presented to the district attorney, who will decide if any charges will be filed in the case.
Taylor's background with city
Taylor was Lawton's assistant fire marshal until he was terminated after disciplinary action in January 2010, said Fire Chief Bart Hadley. Taylor had been assistant fire marshal since April 1998, a position he gained after settling a lawsuit against the City of Lawton, a suit he had filed after losing his position as fire marshal.
Taylor was terminated as fire marshal on Feb. 1, 1996, after being involved in a motor vehicle accident in Oklahoma City. According to news reports, Oklahoma City police found a City of Lawton vehicle abandoned in October 1995, after the vehicle had crashed into a utility pole. Taylor had been in Oklahoma City at a Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training Class when he was involved in the accident, according to reports.
Then-Fire Chief Mike Carter suspended Taylor for three days without pay after the incident. But, a subsequent investigation by the City of Lawton ended with Taylor's termination for "the good of the service" in February 1996, according to news accounts. Taylor appealed the firing and ultimately was ordered reinstated by an arbitrator. He also sued the City of Lawton; Taylor dropped the lawsuit and the city reinstated him to the Lawton Fire Department after the parties reached a settlement in March 1998.
Taylor originally had been named fire marshal in October 1991, after serving as assistant fire marshal for 14 months. He had joined the Lawton Fire Department six years previously.
"Our thoughts and prayers are with his family," Hadley said Sunday.
Taylor's family also had been involved in lawsuits on behalf of their son.
In 1999, Taylor and his wife sued so their young son would be allowed to play soccer with his team, after the boy who was confined to a wheelchair because of cerebral palsy was told he could not play. In 2006, Taylor and his wife sued Lawton Public Schools after alleging discrimination against their son, saying MacArthur High School had ignored their son's disabilities, in violation of federal disability laws.

 

[jarhead983]

Lessons learned:...

1) Alcohol and guns don't mix! Don't take your gun to a bar and get drunk, even if it's in your car.
2) If you get kicked out of a bar, go home.
3) If you wave a gun and knife around shooting at people, expect there to be consequences, including death.

You are correct, we don't know the whole story...but it seems the OSBI is very forthcoming here on what happened, which is exactly opposite of what would have occurred had they felt there was something criminal in the bar owner's actions...

An additional lesson, a gun in the hands of someone responsible can save lives, even at a bar. The problem is we can't take a gun to a bar, even if we are there for a dart league, or to shoot pool. It's been decided that we can't defend ourselves legally, even if we aren't drinking simply because we are somewhere that alcohol is available. The assumption that we will do something stupid because we are at particular place is ridiculous. The law should read, carrying of a firearm is illegal while consuming alcohol. Nothing else. I mean, you can get drunk at home, at the lake or at Chili's. It doesn't matter where you are, you shouldn't get drunk while carrying. On the same hand, I should be able to go to the wildest bar around while carrying, as long as I don't drink.