Biden’s 30 by 30 executive order

[Hodrod]

Sure it is, did you not read the survey? 12 1/2 people out of 10 approve of it on a bi-partisan basis.

Just like the vote counting in the 2020 election.....

 

[HoLeChit]

Hmmm... does anyone know what percentage of the US is in conservation right now?

According to An Overview of Land and Water Resources in the United States:
https://www.srs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr_srs169.pdf

Federal land—There are almost 640 million acres of Federal land in the United States, which is about 28 percent of the total U.S. land area (fig. 2.2). These lands are managed by seven different Federal agencies, Indian tribes, and other Federal entities. With the exception of some national wildlife refuges, areas reserved for science and research, and other administrative and operational sites such as dams, nearly all Federal land is open and available to the public for recreation.More than 92 percent of U.S. Federal land is located in the West, 36 percent in Alaska alone. Nearly 70 percent of all Federal land is either property of the Bureau of Land Management or the Forest Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture. Not counting Alaska, the proportion of Federal land that belongs to these two agencies rises to 84 percent. An additional 27 percent of Federal land in all 50 States is in the National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. About 3 percent of Federal property is managed by water-resource agencies including the Bureau of Reclamation, Tennessee Valley Authority, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Nearly all Bureau of Reclamation land is in the West, but all of the Tennessee Valley Authority land and about 70 percent of U.S. Army Corps of Engineer areas are in the East.

Furthermore:

Ownership patterns—The land area of the contiguous 48 United States is approximately 1.9 billion acres. The Federal Government owns about 400 million of these acres. A mixture of private individuals, other private entities, State and local governments, and Native American tribal governments own the remaining 1.5 billion acres. Private lands account for the vast majority (about 85 percent) of the contiguous U.S. non-Federal land base (Lubowski and others 2006). At the State level, private lands are most common in Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa, and least common in Nevada and Arizona (table 2.4). On average across the country, private lands constitute about 77 percent of State land area.

 

[HoLeChit]

The land area across the 50 States covers approximately 2.3 billion acres (not including water area). Both private and public land is important as recreation resources and for ecosystem services. Sixty percent (1.4 billion acres) of U.S. land is in private ownership (see the paper by White and others in this chapter), 29 percent is in Federal ownership, 9 percent is State and local government owned, and 2 percent is in Indian reservations (Lubowski and others 2006).

Put simply, The US Federal Government owns 29% of the acreage in the US. To my understanding, the vast majority of that land is used for conservation, either directly or indirectly. If they want 30% they would need to buy, trade, or steal 1% more land, which is roughly 24,294,060 acres of combined land and water, or 37,959 square miles, a little bigger than the state of Indiana. But, in comparison, Alaska has an area of 665,384 square miles. Not only is the land in Alaska more valuable for conservation, and a bigger news story than stealing land from farmers, its also cheaper, and less damaging to the economy.

 

[Hawgman]

I wouldn't be surprised if nearly 30% is tied up gov land already. I know something like 70 to 80 percent of Alaska is gov land.

 

[HoLeChit]

For a second source, theres this report published by the Congressional Research Service:

Federal Land Ownership: Overview and Data
Updated February 21, 2020
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

The federal government owns roughly 640 million acres, about 28% of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States. Four major federal land management agencies administer 606.5 million acres of this land(as of September 30, 2018). They are the Bureau of Land Management (BLM),Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), and National Park Service (NPS)in the Department of the Interior (DOI) and the Forest Service (FS) in the Department of Agriculture.A fifth agency, the Department of Defense (excluding the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers), administers 8.8 million acres in the United States (as of September 30, 2017), consisting of military bases, training ranges, and more.Together, the five agencies manage about 615.3 million acres, or 27% of the U.S. land base. Many other agencies administer the remaining federal acreage.The lands administered by the four major agencies are managed for many purposes, primarily related to preservation, recreation, and development of natural resources. Yet the agencies have distinct responsibilities. The BLM manages 244.4million acres and the FS manages 192.9 million acres under similar multiple-use, sustained-yield mandates that support a variety of activities and programs. The FWS manages 89.2million acres of the U.S. total, primarily to conserve and protect animals and plants. In FY2018, the NPS managed79.9 million acres in 417 diverse units to conserve lands and resources and make them available for public use. The 8.8 million acres of DOD lands are managed primarily for military training and testing.

Every Single one of those major landowning departments within the federal government is responsible for conservation and preservation of land. Also, every military base I have been on, with the exception of places like Tinker, are also used as conservation areas. I think that at most this 30x30 deal is asking for an additional 1-3% of land to be acquired by the .gov for conservation use, which is a lot less than taking 1/3 of every farm in America. Notice how any news articles about this don't mention how much land in the US is already used for conservation. Its mostly a symbolic gesture for publicity. We never heard about it on the news because it isn't dramatic enough to gain views or airtime.

Within this report there's a few important foot notes:

Total federal land in the United States is not definitively known.The estimate of 640 million acres presumes that the five agencies of focus in this report have accurate data on lands under their jurisdiction. The combined total for the five agencies is estimated at 615.3 million acres, as shown in Table 1. Other agencies are presumed to encompass about 20 million acres of federal land, although this estimate is rough. The estimate of 640 million acres generally excludes lands in marine refuges and national monuments and ownership of interests in lands (e.g., subsurface minerals, easements). It also does not reflect Indian lands, many of which are held in trust by the federal government but are not owned by the federal government. According to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), the U.S. holds approximately 56 million acres in trust for various Indian tribes and individuals. There are also other types of Indian lands. See U.S. Department of the Interior, BIA, “Frequently Asked Questions,” at https://www.bia.gov/FAQs/

Acreage figures for the four land management agencies are current as of September 30, 2018; the Department of Defense (DOD) figure is current as of September 30, 2017 (the most recent available). The DOD figure excludes land managed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

In addition, Forest Service (FS), Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), National Park Service (NPS), and DOD manage varying acreages in the U.S. territories; FWS manages additional acres of marine refuges and national monuments; and DOD manages additional acres overseas.

In this report, the term federal land is used to refer to any land owned (fee simple title) and managed by the federal government, regardless of its mode of acquisition or managing agency; it excludes lands administered by a federal agency under easements, leases, contracts, or other arrangements. Public landis used to refer to lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management(BLM) as defined in 43U.S.C. §1702(e).

Notice The estimate of 640 million acres generally excludes lands in marine refuges and national monuments and ownership of interests in lands (e.g., subsurface minerals, easements). It also does not reflect Indian lands, many of which are held in trust by the federal government but are not owned by the federal government. With that statement I think its safe to say that the US gov already owns considerably more than the 30% he's calling for. They just have to change some designations and put up a few signs. I feel this EO is just lipservice.

 

[mr ed]

It's alright. The land won't be needed after they push the 5G button and sterilize all those that got the vaccine.

 

[CHenry]

The madness is maddening

 

[scott024]

I'm going to start wearing my tin foil hat after reading some of these posts.

 

[MacFromOK]

Notice The estimate of 640 million acres generally excludes lands in marine refuges and national monuments and ownership of interests in lands (e.g., subsurface minerals, easements). It also does not reflect Indian lands, many of which are held in trust by the federal government but are not owned by the federal government. With that statement I think its safe to say that the US gov already owns considerably more than the 30% he's calling for. They just have to change some designations and put up a few signs. I feel this EO is just lipservice.

That sounds better, at least. Thanks.

 

[crrcboatz]

I've always thought about the same on electric cars. They are meant to limit your travel range. When the batteries go bad will they be like the wind generator blades, another waste product to deal with ? More lies to control us.

Absolutely with a doubt!