Colorado May Replace Obamacare with Single Payer

[_CY_]

I don't like ACA either.

What I meant by "haven't labored" is taken care of themselves. IE, not smoked, drank heavily, eaten healthy, exercised/worked physically, etc.

Exactly what they do with life insurance and car insurance. If you have a bad record, or poor health choices, the cost goes up.

under the current system above would make little to no difference on the topic of runaway costs. a major accident can easily bankrupt most anyone healthy lifestyle or not, even with health insurance.

runaway costs for heathcare is NOT sustainable .. allowing healthcare providers, big pharma, insurance companies, etc. to make unlimited profits by using corrupt laws that allows above to happen has to change.

single payer would control runaways costs .. it's not by accident almost all of the modern world uses single payer which delivers higher quality healthcare at 1/2 the cost or less. eliminating heathcare insurance would chop off about 40% alone.

 

[JD8]

Cliff notes as to why Single payer doesn't work in the real world. That 18week wait sounds awesome doesn't it?

The Many Failures of Single Payer, by Sally C. Pipes, National Review

A 40 min lecture out of a prof from Cornell

Health Care Turning Point: Why Single Payer Won't Work

Superficial numbers from the socialists just don't add up.

The False Lure of the Sanders Single-Payer Plan

 

[_CY_]

Cliff notes as to why Single payer doesn't work in the real world. That 18week wait sounds awesome doesn't it?

The Many Failures of Single Payer, by Sally C. Pipes, National Review

A 40 min lecture out of a prof from Cornell

Health Care Turning Point: Why Single Payer Won't Work

Superficial numbers from the socialists just don't add up.

The False Lure of the Sanders Single-Payer Plan

who in the world is National Review and American Prospect? and why in the world should we believe a Cornell professor? vs bonified results in the real world from existing single payer health care in a slew of modern nations?

no single payer is not perfect .. far from it but results as measured by a healthier population is much better at a fraction of the costs.
to me it's all about control of runaway costs .. if say someone like Trump is able to actually change laws to allow actual competition, then costs would come down without need of a single payer system.

here's an example of political support paid for by lobbying/campaign contributions by big pharma:

10. Medicare drug negotiations

A major health policy difference between Ryan and Trump pertains to Medicare's prescription drug programs.

Under current law, Medicare is barred from negotiating directly with drug companies to get lower prices. Trump thinks that's a mistake, arguing that the government could reap hundreds of billions of dollars in savings by purchasing drugs in bulk directly through the companies — a position long-held by liberal Democrats.

"We don't do it. Why? Because of the drug companies," Trump said on the campaign trail in January.

Most Republicans oppose such a move, arguing that it grants too much power to the federal government while encroaching on free markets. Medicare's drug programs are doing just fine, they say, as a result of private competition.

Ryan is in that camp, joining most Republicans in voting against a drug negotiation bill in 2007.

 

[MadDogs]

who in the world is National Review and American Prospect?

Asks the guy who quotes WND and Alex Jones.

Should you ever care to do any honest research beyond mindlessly parroting Trump’s progressively challenged talking points, here are a couple more articles on why a government/single payer plan would not work (my apologies if these have been previously cited):

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/universal-health-care-wont-work-witness-medicare

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/08/07/no-donald-trump-single-payer-health-care-doesnt-work-incredibly-well-in-canada-scotland/#321178a63056

In Britain’s NHS, A Death a Day Because the Doctor’s Away

Why Colorado Care is a “really bad idea” …

Beyond Obamacare: Colorado Considers Single-Payer Model

vs bonified results in the real world from existing single payer health care in a slew of modern nations?

I will type s l o w for you so you might comprehend this. Those results from the “real world” suck. A single payer/government plan would suck as bad as government cheese. We could not afford to fund it on the scale required nationally because (again) in part it would have to cover illegal aliens.

Wise up. Take that orange Trump condom off and see if it helps you think better.

 

[JD8]

Yeah.... we can't go on believing anyone from Cornell, who well documents all his points with reference. I'm always fascinated on how strong the bias is, in the face of a well backed intelligent argument, when someone wants a handout.

CY - You are right though, we have several real world examples of why single payer won't work in the U.S. and that first article highlighted a few key issues that will only get worse with the U.S.

 

[mr ed]

I thought single payer was one of the main reasons all those European countries went broke a couple years ago.
Besides the average doctor over there makes like $40,000 US a year. How many doctors over here do you think will work for that?

 

[Fredkrueger100]

Talk about bs. Yet another reason I love this state. Colorado had become a liberal hellhole. Why anyone would move there from here is beyond me. But to each their own. When will people learn that not everyone deserves insurance coverage? Why should hard working people get screwed because some dope head doesn't want to work? But sadly this is the reality that this country lives in. There are so many lazy people in this country that things like these are gonna happen whether we want it to or not. It's all about entitlements. I'm sure the people of Colorado will vote this crap in. I mean, they were stupid enough to vote for senators and reps that took away gun rights so why wouldn't they go for this bill?

 

[_CY_]

Yeah.... we can't go on believing anyone from Cornell, who well documents all his points with reference. I'm always fascinated on how strong the bias is, in the face of a well backed intelligent argument, when someone wants a handout.

CY - You are right though, we have several real world examples of why single payer won't work in the U.S. and that first article highlighted a few key issues that will only get worse with the U.S.

first look at cornell link, video didn't show up so I mistakenly thought page required you to purchase book before knowing what his ideas was. so I spent time listening to the professor's lecture. conclusion as he is basically full of crap .. could only bear to watch the first 10 minutes or so long enough for him to lay out his 10 points. NO where did cost containment or why the existing laws bars competition resulting in huge price increases. In fairness the professor's book/talking points are dated 2010, with most of the work dating a few years before that.

So back in 2008 era when data for the Cornell professor's book was put together .. runaway costs was already on the way but had not reached the crisis that it is today. since you put link to video up, I'm assuming you watched the entire 30 minutes and can tell me what I missed.

here's a counterpoint by yet another professor from 2012
–Classic Interview: Gerald Friedman, Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts, joins us to outline his recent outline of exactly how single payer healthcare would be both affordable and efficient economically.

Professor Friedman claims tax increases for single payer would more than offset by stopping existing insurance premiums and actually save $$.

 

[_CY_]

now for a small break .. Film short about disabled puppy wins 59 awards and lands the creators jobs at Disney Animation Studios.

 

[JD8]

first look at cornell link, video didn't show up so I mistakenly thought page required you to purchase book before knowing what his ideas was. so I spent time listening to the professor's lecture. conclusion as he is basically full of crap .. could only bear to watch the first 10 minutes or so long enough for him to lay out his 10 points. NO where did cost containment or why the existing laws bars competition resulting in huge price increases. In fairness the professor's book/talking points are dated 2010, with most of the work dating a few years before that.

So back in 2008 era when data for the Cornell professor's book was put together .. runaway costs was already on the way but had not reached the crisis that it is today. since you put link to video up, I'm assuming you watched the entire 30 minutes and can tell me what I missed.

here's a counterpoint by yet another professor from 2012
–Classic Interview: Gerald Friedman, Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts, joins us to outline his recent outline of exactly how single payer healthcare would be both affordable and efficient economically.

Professor Friedman claims tax increases for single payer would more than offset by stopping existing insurance premiums and actually save $$.

Funny, I about vomited when your link started praising the ACA. I honestly don't know how anyone could praise that POS legislature with a straight face.

Get the fawk out of here with the runaway talk promises. You sound like Obama with his "you can keep your plan/doctor" B.S. It will just be replaced by inefficient or rationing of care, something which is already happening in your shining examples. You want a handout and you somehow believe the government magically, in lieu of a long history otherwise, can come in and run a trillion dollar health program efficiently and or that it even will be appropriately funded.

Just keep clicking those heels Dorothy, this is the kind of gullibility that got the ACA passed. Friedman calls for more taxes on payrolls and capital gains and that is about as asinine as it comes. It just shows that he, yourself, and Bernie don't really understand the real world.