Constitutional Carry (SB 1212) on the OK House floor 4/23

[p238shooter]

IMHO a simple solution for the training requirement is you go take a course and then take a certificate and 5 bucks to the DMV and they print a license off with a different color or a special tag or whatever that shows it's completed. But getting the state out of the business of making money so people can carry at home is something that needs to happen.

The issue of licenses to carry was a trend and when it caught on crime went down even though people swore it would be blood in the streets. We have permitless carry in multiple states now and the same thing was said but it never came about. I don't have an issue with training and safety. And I think that places like the OKCGC or anywhere else that holds competitions should be allowed to create the certificates as well as specific trainers. You can choose to pay for training or prove that you are competent and hit the targets while being safe and be considered trained. It's better than what the state requires right now.

I do agree that 2A is a constitutional right, I also agree more training would be good for everyone, all of us.

I have an M on my drivers license, stating I have at least had a little motorcycle experience. Why not add an S for SDA or F for firearm experience. Other than the initial records check which most likely is less than a 5 minute procedure, this cost could be reduced to almost zero.

I do have to feel Fallon's decision was more about revenue loss than any other factor.

 

[Shadowrider]

Nice thought, but is no longer 1776. We can do better. I don't know the answer, but what we have been doing isn't working. This is a perception issue. We have to present a more positive picture than the negative pictures in the media everyday.

Since 1934 (when the snowball really got rolling) we've been respectful, given the other side the opportunity to state their case, listened, debated on the merits, compromised, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. We've went nowhere but backwards. We've won absolutely nothing. On the other hand we've lost quite a lot. So you are correct, it's not working...

 

[dennishoddy]

Since 1934 (when the snowball really got rolling) we've been respectful, given the other side the opportunity to state their case, listened, debated on the merits, compromised, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. We've went nowhere but backwards. We've won absolutely nothing. On the other hand we've lost quite a lot. So you are correct, it's not working...

You gawdamm right!!!!
The other side doesn't hold back, why should we? Put it in their face and hold them accountable for their false narrative about blood in the streets and shootouts at the OK corral.
It's not happening and in fact crime rates are going down in Constitutional Carry states.
The bad guys/gals know the good guys/gals have guns to defend themselves.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Nice thought, but is no longer 1776. We can do better. I don't know the answer, but what we have been doing isn't working. This is a perception issue. We have to present a more positive picture than the negative pictures in the media everyday.

Perception is not the problem. Perception would be immaterial had there never been any compromise to, or allowed infringement to, the right. This is a problem of unconstitutional control instigated over the people. It is no different than the attempt to disarm the people by King George. It is subtle today, but active and with the same end.

How we are perceived is nothing more than an emotional flogging by the masterminds of our attempted demise foisted upon crowds of vociferous useful idiots in an attempt to give sway to lawmakers and the Court in opposition to the Second Amendment.

The answer is to allow no more compromise and demand the Right to Keep and Bear Arms be uncompromised. Stand that ground. No one has the right to enslave a people. No one has the courage to enslave a people who are vastly more populace and no less equally armed man for man than any would be tyrant, dictator, monarch, oligarchy, theocracy, despot, politbureau, etc., etc., etc.

That's the positive picture that must be displayed. It harms no one. It is benign and innocuous. It is nothing less than freedom and security. Constitutional Carry is all of this on parade.

Woody

 

[CHenry]

It'll pass next year without a hitch cause we'll have legal cannabis then. lol

 

[C_Hallbert]

It'll pass next year without a hitch cause we'll have legal cannabis then. lol

Government approval of Cannabis is a disguised attempt to chemically distract, subdue and maintain control of our population. It is no favor, no boon, just a chain and collar that seduces our citizens to put it on themselves.


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[CHenry]

Government approval of Cannabis is a disguised attempt to chemically distract, subdue and maintain control of our population. It is no favor, no boon, just a chain and collar that seduces our citizens to put it on themselves.


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How do you figure? The same must be true of Opioid drugs...

 

[MacFromOK]

Government approval of Cannabis is a disguised attempt to chemically distract, subdue and maintain control of our population. It is no favor, no boon, just a chain and collar that seduces our citizens to put it on themselves.

Couldn't the same be said of alcohol? Some can handle it without abusing it, some cannot.

EDIT: Uh oh... I may have just agreed with Clay...

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

How do you figure? The same must be true of Opioid drugs...

Compare it to the beer the ancient Egyptians fed their slaves to pacify them and make them less inclined to insurrection.

Woody

 

[chuter]

The answer is to allow no more compromise and demand the Right to Keep and Bear Arms be uncompromised. Stand that ground. No one has the right to enslave a people. No one has the courage to enslave a people who are vastly more populace and no less equally armed man for man than any would be tyrant, dictator, monarch, oligarchy, theocracy, despot, politbureau, etc., etc., etc.

That's the positive picture that must be displayed. It harms no one. It is benign and innocuous. It is nothing less than freedom and security. Constitutional Carry is all of this on parade.

Woody

I agree, but exactly how do you see this playing out? "Allow no more compromise"; how does that work?
Of course we vote that way, but if that's not working, then what?