FYI- Traffic Stops

[yukonjack]

I disagree. Cops are taught what the law is. It's up to them to them on how to enforce them. If they want to violate your rights or if they want to protect your rights depends on them. Yes, it will be decided in court but if you have video evidence it will be solid proof that they violated or protected your rights. More and more cops are losing their jobs or even facing jail time because of blue abuse.

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The problem is that you left out one important part of decision.

Page 4, paragraph 1 of the "OPINION" states,


"Our question is whether law enforcement officers may extend a lawfully initiated vehicle stop because a passenger refuses to identify himself, absent reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed a criminal offense. We conclude that they may not do so. As a result, we reverse.

Pay attention to this part, "absent reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed a criminal offense."

A blanket statement that cops can't ID a passanger is wrong. As you can see if the officer has reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed a crime he can ask for ID. What if that reasonable suspicion is developed while he's questioning the driver?

Yes, police officers are taught the law in the academy. But not to the degree that at an attorney is taught. This is a fairly new opinion and may not have filtered all the way down to the cop on the street.

Also this is an opinion from the 9th Circuit in San Francisco a very left leaning court. I don't know if it has been appealed to the Supreme Court but that's a possibility.

Like I said it's your personal choice what to do. To me the issue of a passanger in my car ID'ing himself isn't that big of an issue. Get it done and get it over with.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/01/11/17-10217.pdf

 

[RKM]

Police can manufacture anything and everthing to create the aspect of "reasonable suspicion". Smell marijuana? Smell alcohol? You seem nervous? You look like a guy that has a warrant? Check YouTube. Dozens if not hundreds of videos out there using that excuse. Or better yet watch Live PD. Police will do anything to get into a car for a search. My nephew was a bomb dog trainer at Lackland AFB. He told me that you can train a dog to do a "hit" for drugs without any drugs present. Always video tape any interaction. Keep both parties accountable. Watch the watchers.

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[John6185]

The police have a job to do and they only want to do their job and go home safely at the end of their shift. I don't use drugs, but I may have a gun in the car and I see no need to video anyone-although some have done that and made a small fortune. Bottom line is I'm clean so the worst thing they can do is get me for speeding. People these days couldn't put up with the cops of yesterday, disrespect toward an officer of the law-bam! A flashlight slammed on the side of your head just to get your attention and shame on you if you called them a name. I've seen it, you give them a rough time, they used to take you down to the ground in pain. Times have changed and they're more gentle now to cope with the sensitivity of the populace.

 

[RKM]

Not about making a fortune, It's about accountability. Yep...seen people beaten and violated back in the 70's and 80's....but then video was not available back then. Cameras have changed everything. Every cop should gave body cams and mics that cannot be turned off. Take for instance the latest...the Boulder cops stopping a black guy for cleaning up his apartment complex. The guy provided his ID but that didn't satisfy the cop. 20 minutes and 8 cops later proved the cops were in the wrong and the cop lost his job. Thankfully people videotaped the interaction and the proof was in the pudding. The cops tried to violate his rights even to the point of portraying his aluminum device for picking up trash as a "weapon" and the cop feared for his life while 20 feet away and the guy was surrounded by 7 other cops, 2 of them had weapons out.

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[Big50]

Everything you say can and will be used against you. Know your rights!!

 

[Big50]

In most cases I have no problem with legal commands but when they start fishing they can go *#^* themselves. Where you heading and so on.

 

[Tanis143]

Your are right...bend over...don't make waves....obey the masters...give up everything. Go home be happy.

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Wow, can't put forth a mature discussion so instead you try to use mockery to prove your point. This so makes me want to take your advice </SARCASM>

 

[RKM]

I could care less what you take. No advice was given.

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[TeleStratMan]

This is how fast a "NORMAL" situation can turn to Crap for a Police officer during a traffic stop.

 

[yukonjack]

In most cases I have no problem with legal commands but when they start fishing they can go *#^* themselves. Where you heading and so on.

They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't fish. And if you don't wanna answer don't. I never took offense to that. Just like any customer service job. Asking questions is part of the job.

Off topic but kinda related. I went in to McDonalds to order a double cheeseburger offa the value menu. Walked up to the cashier and stood there. She didn't say anything. Well, neither did I. It started getting awkward for her. Finally I said "It's customary for the cashier to greet the customer and say may I take your order please."

So should the cop only say "I need your drivers license." Walk back to his patrol vehicle, writes up your ticket, walks back and hands it to you and then leaves. Everyone would be throwing a hissy fit. Screaming "He didn't tell me why he stopped me!" Why should he? Unless your blind or something it clearly tells you on the ticket what you're getting stopped for. No need for them to explain that.

For me the answers given during that little fishing expedition usually determined wether or not I was going to write you a ticket or just give you a warning. Be an *******, get a ticket. That's how things roll.