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Concerning your comment about pikes as a legitimate weapon. Yes, they certainly can be. Have you not engaged in house to house fighting? You know, where you kick a door open and enter an unfamiliar, often darkened room not knowing what’s waiting for you? An old woman swinging a pike or anything heavy at your head is damn sure dangerous. I didn’t see anything hilarious about the mention of pikes as a weapon at all. No one said it was ideal, or even decent, but when you face a determined enemy, anything they can leverage against you is a legitimate weapon. Oh sure, a pike isn’t exactly a threat to a tank, or a battleship, or an airplane, but I would consider it dangerous against an individual. Why get nasty with the member over this? It’s just a fact; the Japanese weren’t exactly big on surrender you might remember.


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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria [Government limo] sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

If... if... We didn't love freedom enough. And even more — we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure!

--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

When you're down to a last-ditch weapon, any weapon can be effective if used intelligently. No, you don't take pikes out into the street to fight an army with rifles; you make them come to you, then ambush them.

And take their rifles.
 

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The bomb that ended the war

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The atomic bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, has been the subject of numerous books and articles since that time, many by scientists and others who participated in the development of the world’s first atomic bombs. The personal story of Brig. Gen. Paul W. Tibbets, who flew the Boeing B-29 Enola Gay, and the individual accounts of its crew members have also been published since that eventful mission a half century ago.

Strangely, however, the story of the second mission, which bombed Nagasaki, has not received as much attention, mostly because of the concurrent rush of events leading to Japan’s complete surrender. Then, too, it may be because that second A-bomb strike nearly ended disastrously
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The 509th’s Operations Order No. 39 of August 8, 1945, assigned Maj. Charles W. Sweeney, commanding officer of the 393rd Squadron, as the pilot in command of aircraft No. 297, nicknamed “Bockscar.” Maj. James I. Hopkins Jr., group operations officer, was assigned to fly a second B-29 named “Full House,” which would carry photographic equipment and scientific personnel. On board would be Group Capt. Leonard Cheshire, Winston Churchill’s official representative.

Capt. Fred Bock, instead of flying his own plane, would pilot “The Great Artiste,” named for Capt. Kermit K. Beahan’s ability as a bombardier and his alleged expertise with the opposite sex. That plane would be carrying the same special electronic measuring instruments used when Maj. Sweeney flew it on the Hiroshima flight. It would also be carrying Laurence,whose reporting would earn him a Pulitzer Prize. A fourth aircraft was to proceed to Iwo Jima and stand by in case of an early abort by either of the backup aircraft.

Two weather observation planes were to proceed to the target areas one hour ahead of the strike aircraft. Since the order was to bomb visually for the greatest accuracy, it was essential that the area be visible to the bombardier.

Sweeney’s crew normally had 10 men. Three others were added: Navy Lt. Cmdr. Frederick L. Ashworth, the weaponeer in charge of the bomb; his assistant, Lt. Phillip M. Barnes; and the radar-countermeasures specialist, Lt. Jacob Beser. Capt. Charles D. Albury was the co-pilot; Lt. Frederick J. Olivi, a third pilot; Capt. James F. Van Pelt, Jr., navigator; Capt. Kermit Beahan, bombardier; Staff Sgt. Abe M. Spitzer, radioman; Staff Sgt. Edward K. Buckley, radar operator; Staff Sgt. Albert T. DeHart, central fire control gunner; Master Sgt. John D. Kuharek, flight engineer; and Staff Sgt. Raymond G. Gallagher, mechanic/gunner. Beser was the only man who flew on both atomic bomb missions as a member of the crew of the strike aircraft. Many of the others in the formation, including Sweeney, had flown the other aircraft on the Hiroshima flight.

The crews of the 509th had trained together for almost a year under top-secret conditions. They had first gathered at Wendover Field, an isolated base in western Utah, and then had flown individual long-range, over-water navigation missions from Batista Field, Cuba. The personnel of the 509th moved to Tinian by air and sea in late May and early June 1945, where their top-secret status was the subject of much curiosity and constant ribbing. The crews designated for the atomic missions practiced by dropping giant 10,000-pound “pumpkins” on 12 Japanese targets. Each pumpkin contained 5,500 pounds of explosives.

The B-29s of the 509th had been modified to deliver the atomic bomb and were thus unable to carry conventional bombs. Instead, they carried the pumpkins, painted orange and shaped like Fat Man. The pumpkins also had been used during their stateside training. Proximity fuses that produced an air burst, a feature of the atomic bombs, were installed. About 45 of the pumpkin bombs had been brought from the States. According to Tibbets, his crews were so accurate with them that Maj. Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, then commanding the 20th Air Force, ordered 100 more.

After Tibbets returned from Hiroshima, Sweeney’s crews watched as Fat Man was loaded on Aug. 8. Sweeney’s greatest fear, he said later, was of “goofing up.” He said, “I’d rather face the Japanese than Tibbets in shame if I made a stupid mistake.”

Sweeney did not make any “stupid mistakes,” but the second atomic mission seemed jinxed from the start. When queried, Tibbets called the second mission a “fiasco,” through no fault of Sweeney’s.

The two target cities had been carefully selected. They had purposely not been bombed heavily by LeMay’s B-29s so that, as the after-action report noted, “The assessment of the atomic bomb damage would not be confused by having to eliminate previous incendiary or high explosive damage.”


Kokura, on the northeast corner of Kyushu, was chosen as the primary target for Fat Man because it was the enemy’s principal production source for automatic weapons. It was also the site of the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and was one of the largest shipbuilding and naval centers in Japan.

Nagasaki, the secondary target, was the third largest city on Kyushu. It was also one of Japan’s leading shipbuilding and repair centers. It was not considered a completely “virgin” target, however, because it had been bombed many weeks before by 20th Air Force bombers. Niigata was originally considered as a third target, but it was too far away from the other two cities.

The crews were given their final briefing during the early morning hours of Aug. 9. They would cruise-climb to the bombing altitude of 31,000 feet. Meanwhile, the two weather planes would report the conditions over both targets. Radio silence between the bombers was to be absolute. If any of the planes had to ditch, rescue ships and submarines were in position; also, aircraft were on alert, to be dispatched to locate a downed plane or its crew.

With his airplane stripped of all armament except two .50-caliber tail guns, Sweeney lifted Bockscar off at 3:49 a.m., Tinian time. The flight route to Kokura was originally planned to proceed via Iwo Jima, but bad weather forced a change to Yaku-Shima in the Ryukus. En route, Ashworth armed Fat Man.

When Bockscar arrived at the rendezvous point, only The Great Artiste was there. Due to poor visibility, Hopkins, in Full House, had lost contact with the other planes.

It had been agreed that Sweeney would not linger more than 15 minutes over the rendezvous point, but he circled for 45 minutes looking for Hopkins. Meanwhile, Hopkins was circling at another point many miles to the south. Breaking radio silence, Hopkins called out, “Chuck, where in the hell are you?”

Sweeney did not answer. Frustrated, he told the crew, “We can’t wait any longer,” and turned toward Kokura with the single B-29 escort. He wanted the mission to be a complete success, but it would be difficult to call it that if the explosion were not properly documented by the photography that the equipment on Hopkins" plane would produce. Meanwhile, in the bomb bay, something had gone wrong. The black box containing the electrical switches that armed the bomb had a red light. As long as the light blinked in a regular rhythm, it meant that the bomb was properly armed. If it blinked irregularly, something was malfunctioning.

Lt. Barnes, the electronics test officer, was the first to notice that the red light suddenly began to flash wildly. He and Ashworth frantically removed the black box’s cover to search for the trouble. Quickly tracing all the wiring, Barnes found the problem: the wiring on two small rotary switches had been reversed somehow. He quickly hooked them properly. It could have been worse. If it had been the timing fuses, they would have had less than one minute to find the trouble before Fat Man might have gone off.

Although Sweeney had heard fragmentary reports that the weather over Kokura would be favorable for visual bombing, it wasn’t. Instead of the three-tenths cloud cover originally reported, the city was now obscured by heavy cloud cover. In addition, smoke from a firebomb raid the previous night on nearby Yawata made conditions worse. Staff Sgt. DeHart, in the tail-gun position, reported flak “wide, but altitude is perfect.” Fighters were detected on radar; Staff Sgt. Gallagher thought he saw fighters through the haze.

Lt. Olivi recalled what happened next: “We spent about 50 minutes and made three passes from different directions, but Beahan [the bombardier] reported he couldn’t bomb visually. It was at this time that the crew chief [Master Sgt. Kuharek] reported that the 600 gallons of fuel in the bomb bay auxiliary tanks could not be transferred. We needed that extra 600 gallons badly.”

They had no choice now. After conferring with Ashworth, Sweeney turned toward Nagasaki, hoping that the weather there was better. When they arrived, the city was obscured by nine-tenths cloud cover with very few holes. Ashworth and Sweeney considered bombing by radar against orders. Despite the risk of having an armed bomb aboard, they had been ordered to bring it back if they could not bomb visually. Niigata, the unofficial tertiary target, was too far away, especially considering their reduced fuel supply. No one wanted to have to ditch in the East China Sea or try to land on Okinawa, the nearest friendly base, with the armed Fat Man aboard.

“We started an approach [to Nagasaki],” Olivi said, “but Beahan couldn’t see the target area [in the city east of the harbor]. Van Pelt, the navigator, was checking by radar to make sure we had the right city, and it looked like we would be dropping the bomb automatically by radar. At the last few seconds of the bomb run, Beahan yelled into his mike, “I’ve got a hole! I can see it! I can see the target!” Apparently, he had spotted an opening in the clouds only 20 seconds before releasing the bomb.”

In his debriefing later, Beahan told Tibbets, “I saw my aiming point; there was no problem about it. I got the cross hairs on it; I’d killed my rate; I’d killed my drift. The bomb had to go.”

When Beahan shouted, “Bombs away!” over the intercom, Sweeney wheeled the B-29 around in a sharp, 60-degree left bank and turned 150 degrees away from the area as they had all practiced many times before. Approximately 50 seconds after release, a bright flash lit up the cockpit, where everyone had donned dark goggles. “It was more dazzling than sunlight,” according to Olivi, "even with my Polaroid glasses on. I could see fires starting and dust and smoke spreading in all directions. An ugly looking mushroom began to emerge from the center. It spread and began rising directly toward our B-29.

"Right after the blast, we had lunged downward and away from the radioactive cloud. We felt three separate shock waves, the first being the most severe. As the mushroom cloud kept on climbing toward us, bright flames, a sickly pink, were shooting out of its interior. I had a sickish feeling in the pit of my stomach that we were going to be enveloped by the cloud. We had been warned many times about the possibility of radiation poisoning if we flew into it.

“Actually, I think the mushroom cloud missed us by about 125 yards before we pulled away from it. The briefings and all the practice we had on evasive tactics now had special meaning.”

Reporter Laurence, flying nearby in The Great Artiste, was transfixed in awe. “We watched a giant pillar of purple fire, 10,000 feet high, shoot upward like a meteor coming from the earth instead of from outer space,” he wrote later in his award-winning book “Dawn Over Zero.” "It was no longer smoke, or dust, or even a cloud of fire. It was a living thing, a new species of being, born right before our incredulous eyes.

"Even as we watched, a giant mushroom came shooting out of the top to 45,000 feet, a mushroom top that was even more alive than the pillar, seething and boiling in a white fury of creamy foam, a thousand geysers rolled into one. It kept struggling in an elemental fury, like a creature in the act of breaking the bonds that held it down.

“When we last saw it, it had changed its shape into a flowerlike form, its giant petals curving downward, creamy white outside, rose-colored inside. The boiling pillar had become a giant mountain of jumbled rainbows. Much living substance had gone into those rainbows.”

Maj. Hopkins saw the column of smoke from 100 miles away and flew toward the area after the explosion. However, the area was completely covered by clouds and smoke, hence no ground damage could be observed.

Sweeney made one wide circle of the mushroom cloud, then headed toward Tinian. Now they had a new danger confronting them. The fuel was dangerously low. They changed course for Okinawa with everyone on the flight deck watching the fuel gauges on Kuharek’s flight engineer console. Sweeney had pulled the props back to a range-extending low rpm and leaned out the fuel mixture controls as far back as he dared while he descended; he figured they would land about 50 miles short of the island. Even when they spotted Yontan Field, it still seemed likely they would have to ditch short of the runway.

While Sweeney flew, Albury called the tower for landing instructions. He received no reply. He broadcast a Mayday while Sweeney told Van Pelt and Olivi to fire every emergency flare on board. No one seemed to pay any attention. In desperation, Sweeney took the mike and shouted, “I’m coming straight in!”

“Someone must have gotten the message,” Olivi recalled, "because when we lined up on the approach, we could see emergency equipment racing out to the runway. We had only enough gas for one pass, so if we didn’t make it, we were going to end up in the ocean.

"Sweeney came in high and fast — too fast. Normal landing speed for the B-29 was about 130 mph. We used up half the strip before we touched down at about 150 mph, a dangerous speed, with nearly empty gas tanks.

“As we touched down, the plane began to swerve to the left and we nearly plowed into a line of B-24s parked along the active runway. Sweeney finally brought the plane under control, and as we taxied off the runway the No. 2 engine quit. Ambulance, staff cars, jeeps, and fire engines quickly surrounded us and a bunch of very jittery people debarked, very glad to be safe on the ground.”

What Olivi did not mention was that the airplane used up all of the runway trying to come to a halt. Sweeney stood on the brakes and made a swerving 90-degree turn at the end of the runway to avoid going over the cliff into the ocean. Beser recalled that two engines had died, while “the centrifugal force resulting from the turn was almost enough to put us through the side of the airplane.”

Kuharek, before refilling the tanks, estimated that there were exactly seven gallons left in them. After they landed, the crewmen were told that the Russians had just entered the war against Japan.

For Sweeney and his crew, a nagging question haunted all of them: Had they hit the target? Ashworth didn’t think they had. In his anxiety about obeying the order to bomb visually, Beahan had released the weapon northeast of the city, up the valley of the Urakami River. The bomb had exploded over the center of the industrial area, not the densely populated residential area.

While their Superfort was being gassed, Sweeney and Ashworth commandeered a jeep and went to the base communications center to send a report to Tinian. They were refused permission to send such a message without the commanding general’s personal permission. Lt. Gen. Jimmy Doolittle had been newly sent to Okinawa to oversee the arrival of 8th Air Force units from Europe to prepare them for future combat.

Doolittle, not privy to any of the A-bomb plans or operations, listened intently as Sweeney and Ashworth explained what had happened. Both men were nervous about telling a three-star general that they did not believe the bomb had hit the target directly. As they talked, Doolittle pulled out a map of Japan where they pointed out the industrial area over which they thought the bomb had exploded. Doolittle said, reassuringly, “I’m sure General Spaatz will be much happier that the bomb went off in the river valley rather than over the city with the resulting much lower number of casualties.” He promptly authorized the communications section to send Sweeney’s coded after-action report.

Sweeney and his crew, thoroughly exhausted, took off for Tinian after a three-hour layover, and arrived there about midnight. Sweeney received the Distinguished Service Cross as pilot-in-command. All of the other crew members received the Distinguished Flying Cross as “members of a B-29 aircraft carrying the second atomic bomb employed in the history of warfare. … Despite a rapidly dwindling gasoline reserve, they reached the target and released the bomb on the important industrial city of Nagasaki with devastating effect. The power of this missile was so great as to threaten the disintegration of the aircraft if it had been detonated while still in the bomb bay by a burst of flak, or a hit by enemy fighters, or if it was dropped while the B-29 was close to the ground, as might have occurred during engine failure.”

In his 1962 book, “Now It Can Be Told: The Story of the Manhattan Project,” Gen. Groves answered the question about the results of the Nagasaki mission: “Because of the bad weather conditions at the target, we could not get good photo reconnaissance pictures until almost a week later. They showed 44 percent of the city destroyed. The difference between the results obtained there and at Hiroshima was due to the unfavorable terrain at Nagasaki, where the ridges and valleys limited the area of greatest destruction to 2.3 miles by 1.9 miles. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated the casualties at 35,000 killed and 60,000 injured.”

The force of the Fat Man explosion was estimated at 22,000 tons of TNT. The steep hills had confined the larger explosion. Although the industrial area had been flattened, it caused less loss of life than Little Boy.

The events that followed the Nagasaki mission happened quickly. Russia declared war on Japan on Aug. 9. On that day, Emperor Hirohito spoke to the Japanese Supreme Council. “I cannot bear to see my innocent people suffer any longer,” he said. “Ending the war is the only way to restore world peace and to relieve the nation from the terrible distress with which it is burdened.”

The Japanese announced their acceptance of unconditional surrender on Aug. 14. World War II officially ended at 10:30 a.m. Tokyo time, Sept. 2, 1945, when Japanese emissaries signed the surrender document aboard the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.

Although a few pumpkin bombing missions were flown by the 509th between the second A-bomb drop and the surrender announcement on Aug. 14, for all practical purposes, the Nagasaki mission had ended the war.
 

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I have always thought it sad as how little of history many Americans have learned from, or having formed armchair quarterback opinions based on how little they understand of a situation.

In a perfect world, war would never come into play. It doesn't matter as to how many bumper stickers you may have promoting utopian ideas, it will never stand a chance while evil exists.

The Imperial Japanese mindset was ruthless, as their killing machines slaughtered anyone in their pathway for domination. The Japanese civilians were controlled through fear and propaganda, similar to the people of Okinawa. Had the Japanese possessed the bomb....they would not have thought twice about using it on America.

For the most part, the Japanese enemy was easy to distinguish from non combatants. In Viet Nam, one could never trust anyone but your brothers.
 

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Are you in reference to the "Yellow Peril" camps?
I've not heard that term (well, I have, but as a nickname for the Stearman biplane), but to the mass internment of Japanese-descended American Citizens, as ratified by the Korematsu case; if that's a nickname for it, then yes.
 

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I've not heard that term (well, I have, but as a nickname for the Stearman biplane), but to the mass internment of Japanese-descended American Citizens, as ratified by the Korematsu case; if that's a nickname for it, then yes.


Yellow Peril is the common term or expression from the time. There are also a few good reads of the camps and subsequent vetting process available.

The camps in reference were an early on response to the attack of Pearl Harbor. Please understand the American mindset at the onset as being one of fear based upon not knowing wherein the sympathies were. Plus the simple fact America was caught off guard and unprepared on many fronts. At that point in time, we did not know and understand the enemy until later on.

As I originally said, "for the most part" referring to when we knew. Granted, there were Japanese spies at home and abroad, but for the most part....The Imperial Japanese military were in uniform, thereby distinguishable to a greater degree.

In Nam, charlie could hide in plain sight. I could expound on that, but this thread is pertaining to Japan.
 

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