Houston Open Carry Incident With A Twist

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HOUSTON (FOX 26) - In the state of Texas, the right to carry a rifle or shotgun openly is protected, a fact which makes what apparently happened on a Clear Lake Area street corner the focus of a Houston Police Department Internal Affairs investigation.

In a video posted on YouTube a man carrying a poster and AR-15 rifle is ordered by a police officer to produce identification. When the citizen says he doesn't have any identification on his person the officer proceeds to seize the rifle and place the citizen in handcuffs.

"You are going to jail for failure to ID because you can't tell me who you are, you can't prove who you are. I'm tired of you idiots coming out here," said the officer.
Aware that the incident is being electronically recorded the officer makes what legal experts are calling a major mistake - attempting and failing to erase the video.
"Take the phone off now because we are going to erase it because you're recording everything," says the officer on the video.




"That is completely illegal, completely unlawful and a violation of HPD policy," said Chris Tritico, Fox 26 legal analyst.
David Amad of Open Carry Texas says the HPD officer trampled on rights and deserves to lose his badge.

"The officer is an un convicted felon. He may not ever get convicted, but the fact of the matter is this one particular officer broke the law big time," said Amad who says Open Carry Texas has enjoyed a good relationship with HPD.

Beyond the issue of attempted destruction of potential evidence is the less legally clear cut manner in which police can lawfully respond to Texans who choose to openly carry long guns.

"Someone calls up and says this makes me nervous, they were pointing the gun whatever the complaint was the police than have the right to come to you and investigate that complaint and so at that point they lawfully have the right to say give me that weapon while I talk to you and you have to give it up," said Tritico.

The citizen involved in the incident was released at the scene and has not been charged with an offense. Meantime, a spokesperson for HPD says the department is withholding comment until after the investigation is complete.


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/2...-with-open-carry-citizen-sparks-investigation
 
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"so at that point they lawfully have the right to say give me that weapon while I talk to you and you have to give it up," said Tritico."

....Really?
Is there more than one crime here?
 

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"so at that point they lawfully have the right to say give me that weapon while I talk to you and you have to give it up," said Tritico."

....Really?
Is there more than one crime here?

I don't see the problem there.
You left off the first half of statement: ""Someone calls up and says this makes me nervous, they were pointing the gun whatever the complaint was the police than have the right to come to you and investigate that complaint and ...."
Someone made a complaint, the officer investigates, the officer asks for the weapon while he is talking to the person in question. Seems fair to me, I would rather not be talking to the guy either if he is holding a weapon. Who's to say the complaint is not legit and the guy isn't some nut job?
 
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I don't see the problem there.
You left off the first half of statement: ""Someone calls up and says this makes me nervous, they were pointing the gun whatever the complaint was the police than have the right to come to you and investigate that complaint and ...."
Someone made a complaint, the officer investigates, the officer asks for the weapon while he is talking to the person in question. Seems fair to me, I would rather not be talking to the guy either if he is holding a weapon. Who's to say the complaint is not legit and the guy isn't some nut job?

It's blatantly obvious that the officers are familiar with the guy and aren't concerned. They walked right up to him with no problem, belying any concern for their safety due to him carrying a shouldered long gun. The rest of the contact further reinforces the obvious. This was a "roust" of an uppity open carry advocate, in violation of TX state law. Since the law was violated, the feeble attempts to tamper with evidence should be a prosecutable offense against the officer.
 

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So...Someone calls ( or doesnt?) and says so and so is .....whatever...papers Please?

And you ,dont see, anything wrong with that?..how about innocent until proven guilty?....or just what happened in this situation?

So, someone say something? illegal going on at your house, they just come on in and check around? for theyre safety?

Its Legal to carry rifle open in that state ...not smart maybe? but legal

They should have been left alone...8)
 

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Cop should be fired for trying to erase the video, or even suggesting it. Bottom line THAT is the worst part of the whole mess, and is proof that he can never be trusted.
I'm pretty sure that destroying (or attempting to destroy) evidence is a criminal offense. He shouldn't be fired, he should be prosecuted.
 

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It's blatantly obvious that the officers are familiar with the guy and aren't concerned. They walked right up to him with no problem, belying any concern for their safety due to him carrying a shouldered long gun. The rest of the contact further reinforces the obvious. This was a "roust" of an uppity open carry advocate, in violation of TX state law. Since the law was violated, the feeble attempts to tamper with evidence should be a prosecutable offense against the officer.
Open Carry of long guns is legal in Texas without a license.


"Long gun, and black powder weapon (including handgun) open carry is not forbidden by law, unless it is done in a manner calculated to cause alarm."




Then again, I may have misinterpreted your post, and you were probably saying the officers were in violation of state law. If that's the case, carry on! Lol
 

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I know in some states that unless you are being legally detained on suspicion of a crime, you do not have to surrender your firearm to police. I wonder what Texas law says on the matter?
 

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