How do you train?

[TedKennedy]

Not callous or self centered, just practical for the world we live in today, it's not 1822 it's 2022. In case you haven't noticed the world has changed. People who try to save the world from itself are naive or just aren't paying attention. Let's take a look at what has happened to a few people who tried to save the world and it went sideways, as happens more often than not in the real world.

George Zimmerman, charged with murder, lost his family, lost his job, can't find work (last I heard) and was almost 2 million dollars in debt.

Greg and Travis McMichael, charged with murder, found guilty, life without the possibility of parole. Roddie Bryan, charged with murder, life with the possility of parole.

Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with murder, 18 years old and is now a social pariah, his classmates don't even want him on campus. If this wasn't such a hot button trial he probably wouldn't have received the money necessary to hire the outstanding legal team that was able to keep him out of prison.

If you think this just me and my callous way of thinking, try again. Not long ago Greg Ellifritz, a retired police officer, warned about the dangers of getting involved in othere people's fights.

The phrase "not my monkeys, not my circus" hasn't become so popular in self defense circles because the world looks kindly on sheepdogs. Ask Kim Potter what happens when you make a mistake.

So basically here's the deal, eveyone that has two brain cells that even occasionally bump into each other knows there are bad people in the world wanting to do bad things. So it is a conscious choice, each of us can accept the possibility of being attacked and prepare for that possibility or we can occupy our time with other things and hope for the naive white knight to ride to the rescue. If you want to be that white knight that is your choice, hopefully you won't regret that choice from a prison cell as so many others are doing at this very moment.

It all comes down to this, it is each persons conscious deliberate choice whether or not they want to be a bad guys chew toy.

You're not wrong.

I saw what I thought was two males fighting near 61st and Peoria back in March. I pulled my truck up so the headlights would illuminate the situation. Turned out it was a male choking a female while another male watched. They broke it up when the lights hit them - they prob thought it was a cop or something lighting them up.

I laughed and drove off, knowing that that's just the way of life in that area. As my wife said - different communities have different rules.

 

[KurtM]

I do believe that I said you need to know what to practice.

"To clear all this up. Perfect practice makes perfect, training does not make perfect. All training does is teach you what to practice."

 

[KurtM]

To clear all this up. Perfect practice makes perfect, training does not make perfect. All training does is teach you what to practice.

I'm pretty sure that I was saying what you thought I wasn't saying Mr. Meadhall Range, although I agree with most everything else you posted. I doubt I would get a lot out of Mr. Ayoob's course, but I can truly say he has an incredible speaking voice!

 

[Gadsden]

What if the victim is someone you dislike immensely?

I served many years protecting people I didn't necessarily like and who, quite literally, hated me. It didn't stop me from preventing a crime then, why should it now?

That said let me begin by saying I would never enter into a situation that may put my family in danger. So, assuming they are not in any way at risk, the degree to which I would become involved depends greatly on the situation. For example, if no one is immediate danger of being harmed OR if my involvement could put someone at risk of being harmed, I would observe everything I can, call 911 and be the best witness possible. On the other hand, if someones life is in immediate danger or they are at risk of great bodily harm and I have the opportunity to intervene I will do whatever necessary to prevent that from happening. What I will not do is ignore the situation and go on about my business as if nothing happened. That is no different than standing back and recording it while not lifting a finger to help.

Remember, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Even though there is speculation as to who actually said those words they still ring very true. If we just continue to turn our back on crime because, like Ricco, we are afraid of the possible consequences so we do nothing while our "mouth stays closed" unless "it is a "direct attack" the bad guys win. We simply cannot, or should not, just ignore the situation and be glad it wasn't us, to do so is the cowards way out.

I'll close with this. As I said earlier what if it was someone you loved, would you be okay with the fact that another person just walked away when they could have helped?

 

[Gadsden]

Not callous or self centered, just practical for the world we live in today, it's not 1822 it's 2022. In case you haven't noticed the world has changed. People who try to save the world from itself are naive or just aren't paying attention. Let's take a look at what has happened to a few people who tried to save the world and it went sideways, as happens more often than not in the real world.

George Zimmerman, charged with murder, lost his family, lost his job, can't find work (last I heard) and was almost 2 million dollars in debt.

Greg and Travis McMichael, charged with murder, found guilty, life without the possibility of parole. Roddie Bryan, charged with murder, life with the possility of parole.

Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with murder, 18 years old and is now a social pariah, his classmates don't even want him on campus. If this wasn't such a hot button trial he probably wouldn't have received the money necessary to hire the outstanding legal team that was able to keep him out of prison.

If you think this just me and my callous way of thinking, try again. Not long ago Greg Ellifritz, a retired police officer, warned about the dangers of getting involved in othere people's fights.

The phrase "not my monkeys, not my circus" hasn't become so popular in self defense circles because the world looks kindly on sheepdogs. Ask Kim Potter what happens when you make a mistake.

So basically here's the deal, eveyone that has two brain cells that even occasionally bump into each other knows there are bad people in the world wanting to do bad things. So it is a conscious choice, each of us can accept the possibility of being attacked and prepare for that possibility or we can occupy our time with other things and hope for the naive white knight to ride to the rescue. If you want to be that white knight that is your choice, hopefully you won't regret that choice from a prison cell as so many others are doing at this very moment.

It all comes down to this, it is each persons conscious deliberate choice whether or not they become a bad guys chew toy.

That's fine, go ahead and stick your head in the sand. But while you are doing it pray that you or your family aren't the victims someday and the only person who could help has your mindset.

 

[ricco]

That's fine, go ahead and stick your head in the sand. But while you are doing it pray that you or your family aren't the victims someday and the only person who could help has your mindset.

It's not my head that is in the sand, you simply refuse to accept reality.

I see the world the way it is, not the way I want it to be.

I have discussed self defense with those I care about, I can't force them or anyone else to take the steps necessary to protect themselves, it is their choice. Just like I won't take the bottle from an alcoholic or the chocolate cake from a diabetic, it is their choice.

 

[Gadsden]

It's not my head that is in the sand, you simply refuse to accept reality.

I see the world the way it is, not the way I want it to be.

I have discussed self defense with those I care about, I can't force them or anyone else to take the steps necessary to protect themselves, it is their choice. Just like I won't take the bottle from an alcoholic or the chocolate cake from a diabetic, it is their choice.

I know reality very well, I lived it every day, it's you who refuses to accept it. No need to discuss this any further though, it's obvious who you are. Just go on with your life and pray you aren't the victim while the person who could help turns their back and ignores your plight.

 

[TedKennedy]

I served many years protecting people I didn't necessarily like and who, quite literally, hated me. It didn't stop me from preventing a crime then, why should it now?

That said let me begin by saying I would never enter into a situation that may put my family in danger. So, assuming they are not in any way at risk, the degree to which I would become involved depends greatly on the situation. For example, if no one is immediate danger of being harmed OR if my involvement could put someone at risk of being harmed, I would observe everything I can, call 911 and be the best witness possible. On the other hand, if someones life is in immediate danger or they are at risk or great bodily harm and I have the opportunity to intervene I will do whatever necessary to prevent that from happening. What I will not do is ignore the situation and go on about my business as if nothing happened. That is no different than standing back and recording it while not lifting a finger to help.

Remember, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Even though there is speculation as to who actually said those words they still ring very true. If we just continue to turn our back on crime because, like Ricco, we are afraid of the possible consequences so we do nothing while our "mouth stays closed" unless "it is a "direct attack" the bad guys win. We simply cannot, or should not, just ignore the situation and be glad it wasn't us, to do so is the cowards way out.

I'll close with this. As I said earlier what if it was someone you loved, would you be okay with the fact that another person just walked away when they could have helped?

Life is hard and sad.

Relying on flea infested "sheepdogs" has made folks weak, and developed an atmosphere of hero worship. Too many refuse to arm themselves or take responsibility for their own safety, relying on some hero to make sure they sleep safe.

I've seen both sides of it, from a kind person that voluntarily helped a loved one, to "sheepdogs" that simultaneously ignored their duty and harassed a loved one.

I'll stick my neck out for who I choose, and that's a damn short list. Us regular folks don't have a blue wall of silence to protect us should the situation go bad, or we err.

 

[Gadsden]

Life is hard and sad.

Relying on flea infested "sheepdogs" has made folks weak, and developed an atmosphere of hero worship. Too many refuse to arm themselves or take responsibility for their own safety, relying on some hero to make sure they sleep safe.

I've seen both sides of it, from a kind person that voluntarily helped a loved one, to "sheepdogs" that simultaneously ignored their duty and harassed a loved one.

I'll stick my neck out for who I choose, and that's a damn short list. Us regular folks don't have a blue wall of silence to protect us should the situation go bad, or we err.

In case you haven't been watching the news there is no such thing as a "blue wall of silence". Bad cops get taken down just the same as anyone else and in a lot of cases even harder and I don't have a problem with that. I always said if someone wants to be a criminal that's their choice, just don't pin on a badge and do it.

Also, I may not have made myself clear and if not, that's on me. Not that it would have made any difference anyway if what I did was wrong, but I'm not on the job anymore and haven't been for awhile so I'm just "regular folk" too. No worries though, I'm not judging, you do what you gotta do and what you feel is right for you and yours. Stay warm and have a blessed day.

 

[TedKennedy]

In case you haven't been watching the news there is no such thing as a "blue wall of silence". Cops get taken down just the same as anyone else and in a lot of cases even harder. Also, I may not have made myself clear and if so, that's on me. Not that it would have made any difference anyway if what I did was wrong, but I'm not on the job anymore and haven't been for awhile so I'm just "regular folk" too. No worries though, I'm not judging, you do what you gotta do and what you feel is right for you and yours. Stay warm and have a blessed day.

Same to you, and thank you for your service.