Kamala Harris escalates gun control agenda

[Ethan N]

Yet while Booker is largely focused on gun-control priorities that require congressional approval, Harris' unilateral approach is directed at years of inaction in Washington amid repeated high-profile mass shootings…

Yeah, because when the legislature chooses not to act, it’s totally an invitation for the executive to start pulling laws out of her butt. That’s why we have a constitution, ya know, to make sure the President can make up laws when Congress doesn’t do what she wants.

Her campaign argues the weapons could be banned [from importation] because they aren't "suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes."

Let me make sure I understand your position, Senator Harris. One of the most common firearms in shooting sports, one of the most adaptable firearm platforms ever built, a type of firearm commonly known as a “modern sporting rifle” isn’t suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes. Is that right? Okidoke. Bless your heart.

 

[dennishoddy]

Yeah, because when the legislature chooses not to act, it’s totally an invitation for the executive to start pulling laws out of her butt. That’s why we have a constitution, ya know, to make sure the President can make up laws when Congress doesn’t do what she wants.

Let me make sure I understand your position, Mrs. Harris. One of the most common firearms in shooting sports, one of the most adaptable firearm platforms ever built, a type of firearm commonly known as a “modern sporting rifle” isn’t suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes. Is that right? Okidoke. Bless your heart.

I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 dead deer and untold numbers of varmints that call out her statement as pure ignorance.
I need to get her in the deer stand for awhile... Go through the sequence of events portraid in the emoticons, and maybe the light will come on?

 

[okie362]

I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 dead deer and untold numbers of varmints that call out her statement as pure ignorance.
I need to get her in the deer stand for awhile... Go through the sequence of events portraid in the emoticons, and maybe the light will come on?

To be clear: She gets in YOUR stand!

 

[DavidMcmillan]

Don't forget, we are the only people calling this item a "modern sporting rifle" and that is only after years of calling them "AR's". We have a lot of work to do.

 

[Ethan N]

Don't forget, we are the only people calling this item a "modern sporting rifle" and that is only after years of calling them "AR's". We have a lot of work to do.

I don’t disagree there’s a lot of work to do changing the perception of AR-15s, but what something is called is a lot less important than what it’s used for, especially when they’re talking about banning it for not being suitable for some purpose. Besides, I don’t see how calling it an Armalite Rifle is any worse than calling it an MSR.

And calling them (and using them as) sporting rifles is nothing new. Colt first marketed an AR-15 “Sporter” in the 1960s, and AR-15s were being sold for hunting and target practice in the US and abroad before the M16 (XM16, etc.) was commonly issued by any US military branch.

I know, I know. Perception is reality, blah blah blah. Just let me pretend for a few minutes that people are rational and revel in the fact that Harris is an ignorant tyrant.

 

[DavidMcmillan]

You only need to watch the news a couple of evenings to see that AR meant assault rifle, and we started calling them MSR because of that perception, and only then. And if you think the average media watcher is rational when another report of a "school shooting" comes on line, you are way out of touch. And another school shooting is just now being reported. Seems it was a shotgun, but the talking heads will have a few more days of reporting how bad things have become.

When politicians say they want to ban AR's, their followers start jumping up and down. There is no rational thinking during compaign season.

We are the only ones that know "Armalite"

 

[Ethan N]

You only need to watch the news a couple of evenings to see that AR meant assault rifle, and we started calling them MSR because of that perception, and only then.

Yes. The point is the ignorant populace got confused by “AR,” so informed people introduced a term for the category that more accurately reflects their suitability and common uses. And their suitability is what’s at issue in considering a ban on importation (according to the law). I was agreeing with you that most people are willfully ignorant of what “AR” means and what they are used for and we have a lot of work to do to turn that around. But a ban based on suitability is not valid just because most people don’t know what the gun is suitable for.

And if you think the average media watcher is rational when another report of a "school shooting" comes on line, you are way out of touch.

I said I wanted to “pretend” people are rational. I was poking fun at myself. On the other hand, one of the best ways to help people learn to be rational is to let them see that you expect them to be rational. There are tons of people who are pretty much beyond being helped, but most people respond well to positive expectations.

We are the only ones that know "Armalite"

Yeah. Again, I was agreeing with you. We have to fix that. I was just pointing out that it’s not as simple as saying we used to call them ARs, but now we want to change that to MSR because that sounds better. These guns have practically always been sold as sporting firearms and been suitable for sporting purposes, even before they were commonly used in warfare (albeit only by a few months). Besides that, “MSR” refers to a whole category of guns and AR-15s are one of several platforms in that category, so we need to rehabilitate the term “AR” as well, because it will continue to be used to refer to that platform.

 

[dennishoddy]

because most people don’t know what the gun is suitable for.

Bingo!
I'm going to make a general statement here and then clarify it.
Most people don't know what the gun (AR-15) is suitable for including some gun owners.

There are folks out there that have never owned a gun and really don't know why they need one. We have a police force that is there to protect us, right? So when your evening TV is all about outlawing guns because criminals use them, it's not hard to become part of a statistic that want guns to go away no matter what model.

Then we have the folks that want AR's or MSR rifles banned because they are black and they hate black guns because they are scary and look dangerous. In most cases they are young and have been taught that.

Then we have a very dangerous part of our society that is called FUDDS. The old timer classical gun owner that may have a fortune in classic shotguns and rifles made of blue'd steel and fine walnut in their safe. They are afraid of the plastic and hate the esoteric's of the design. BY GOD IF IT ISN'T WALNUT AND BLUE'D, IT HAS NO PLACE IN THE HUNTING COMMUNITY!!!!!

Then we have us......even though there are millions of MSR's out there, the majority belong to a minority that understand that a gas operated MSR is no different than a gas fed Remington 742 with beautiful wood stocks and blued steel.
Both are exactly the same gun in operation. The 742 in its standard configuration came with a 5 round magazine for .243/270/30-06 (and other calibers) caliber. Guess what? You can get larger capacity magazines for the Rem 742, and that rifle in the calibers mentioned is exponentially much more powerful than the .243/5.56, but the uninformed don't know that, so the scary black gun is the focus.

The British with their smooth bore "Brown Bess" were no match for the US snipers that used rifled barrels and hid behind trees with huge success and just didn't line up across a field to win by attrition.
They called the Kentucky guns that were rifled and much more accurate an abomination because it didn't fit their narrative of war.
The Kentucky muzzleloading rifle was the first truly "assault rifle" in the U.S..

I don't hear Kamala squawking about that "assault gun" although the dumbocrat gun grabbers don't realize the AR-15 is not an assault gun like the Kentucky rifle actually is.
The AR-15 was never issued to the military, therefore it cannot be called an assault gun.
What the gun grabbers like to call a high capacity magazine in the 30 round model is actually standard issue for today's forces. The M-16 assault rifle originally came out with a 20 round magazine, later evolving to the 30 round.

 

[RugersGR8]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...he-news-media-don-t-know-what-they-don-t-know
Kamala Harris and the News Media Don’t Know What They Don’t Know
Friday, May 24, 2019

By now gun owners have become accustomed to a certain measure of ignorance from anti-gun politicians and their lapdogs in the mainstream press on matters of firearms policy. It’s the flamboyant stridency of that ignorance that remains shocking.

Last week, the presidential campaign of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) announced that if elected president the candidate would ban the importation of AR-15-style “assault weapons.” Characterizing the campaign’s proposal, Politico reported,

Harris wants to ban AR-15-style assault weapon imports and suspend all other assault weapon imports until the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can analyze whether they should be permanently banned under U.S. law. Her campaign argues the weapons could be banned because they aren't "suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes."

At a campaign event in Nashua, N.H. Harris herself told those gathered, “I’m announcing for the first time today here with you to take executive action to ban the import of assault weapons into our country.”

Predictably, Harris’s proposal was trumpeted by an uncritical press.

Apparently unbeknownst to the candidate and her media sycophants, the federal government already prohibits the importation of so-called “assault weapons.”

Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, the Attorney General has a measure of discretion regarding what firearms may be imported into the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 925 states,

(d) The Attorney General shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition--

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(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes…

The “generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes” language has become known as the much-maligned “sporting purposes test.”

In 1989, the George Bush administration used the sporting purposes test to prohibit the importation of certain types of commonly-owned semi-automatic rifles. In 1998, under the direction of President Bill Clinton, ATF used the sporting purposes test to expand the 1989 import ban to encompass a larger category of semi-automatic firearms. The Clinton import ban included what the bureau termed “large capacity military magazine rifles,” or LCMM rifles. LCMM rifles are those capable of accepting standard capacity magazines; like the AR-15. In an April 1998 document titled “Department of the Treasury Study on the Sporting Suitability of Modified Semiautomatic Assault Rifles,” ATF determined that “LCMM rifles are not generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes and are therefore not importable.” At the time, White House official Jose Cerda told the press, “We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns.”

NRA-ILA opposes the sporting purposes test as well as ATF’s application of the test. The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as interpreted in District of Columbia v. Heller protects an individual’s right to access firearms in common use for lawful purposes. Self-defense is a lawful purpose, and therefore firearms suitable to that purpose should be available independent of any “sporting” application.

Regarding interpretation of 18 U.S.C. § 925, ATF has adopted a cramped reading of the operative passage. As explained in ATF’s January 2011 “Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns,” the agency refuses to recognize informal sport shooting such as plinking and practical shooting competitions like 3-gun as falling under the scope of “sporting purposes.” Moreover, the agency has read the “or readily adaptable” language out of the statute entirely, as evidenced by the popularity of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms for the traditional sports of target shooting and hunting.

However misguided, for more than 20 years the federal government has prohibited the importation of commonly-owned semi-automatic rifles that Harris would term “AR-15-style assault weapons.”

Harris’s proposal to enact a policy that has already been in place for two decades reveals the candidate’s appalling disregard of the facts. The mainstream media’s complicity in this embarrassing episode reveals their inability or unwillingness to correct even the most egregious statements from their preferred candidates.

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[ConstitutionCowboy]

We need to call it as it is: "Kamala Harris Moves to Escalate the Disarmament Agenda to Clear the Road to Institute Slavish Socialism for the Proletariat to be in Service to their Oligarchy."

The line against such an agenda was drawn in the sand with the ratification of the Second Amendment. We may be forced to back it up with arms - if we make it a point not to give another inch and continue the battle to remove the infringements.

Woody