LPVO Advice

[Shadowrider]

I once got to play with a Trijicon Accupower 1X4 and was really impressed with the glass. It was very clear and I liked it better than the 1x6 Swarovsky that was all the rage then at twice the price. Back then it was a $1000 scope. Now it may be closer to your price point especially if you find it on sale. The 1X8 version will be much above it.

I've not found a reason for needing more than 4X on my ARs except it is very nice for shooting small groups on paper from the bench, an Aimpoint RDS is good for me out to about 300. A 4X with good glass should be fine for 700 yard steel but that Bushnell should be a decent scope.

 

[big green chopper]

I will say I agree that of the three you listed, I think they will all be disappointing. Reticles matter. And they matter a lot more in the LPVO's IMHO. why???? Speaking strictly from experience I can tell that for short to medium ranges (as you describe, and shooting hogs out to 300) no one twists turrets. So then that brings up the question, do we just learn our drop for the particular rifle through range test and if so does the reticle have vertical marks on the sub tension? Because a lot of earlier LPVO's don't, most of the late models do. Also, do we want BDC marks? And if so, consider that many BDC reticles such as the ACSS only go out to 500 or 600. Often the BDC neglect to include windage holds at range... so then what? More and more I find the versatility of an ACSS or similar BDC reticle with 5 & 10mph windage holds out to 800 is what I want. There is no turret dialing, no solution finding, hell you don't even necessarily have to determine your drop at different ranges. With a good BDC you just sight in at the specified zero range (usually 100 or 200) and then the rest of the hold points are pretty darn close and work fantastic out to 300. And by the old rule, 1 power for every 100 yards, I do fine with a 1-6. just my .02

 

[Stay_Shmackin]

I don't know if you've already picked out which optic you want yet, but I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend taking a good look at the Primary Arms offerings. They have become my go to for LPVO's now. Been running their 1-6x on a multitude of guns with absolutely zero complaints. Imo they have one of the best, if not the best, reticles and target acquisition systems out there. The ACSS reticles found in their optics are just too notch. And I hate to use the term "budget" or anything like that, because they punch wayyy above their cost. Dimitri has done a phenomenal job with the system. Extremely well made and the glass very good, especially in the price point. No it's not as clear as some of the others that are $1k+, but in that budget it's a no brainer. A very quick and easy to use optic and the reticle just flat out works.

 

[SMS]

And by the old rule, 1 power for every 100 yards, I do fine with a 1-6. just my .02

With some of these LPVO BDCs, like on the Strike Eagle, the BDC subtensions, other than the first, are advertised to only be applicable at the highest magnification so you still have to experiment at the sub-max settings and get the dope.

 

[big green chopper]

With some of these LPVO BDCs, like on the Strike Eagle, the BDC subtensions, other than the first, are advertised to only be applicable at the highest magnification so you still have to experiment at the sub-max settings and get the dope.

GOOD POINT! & Correct. BDC markings are accurate at all magnification settings ONLY with FFP optics. Consequently and conversely BDC markings in all SFP optics regardless of type CAN ONLY be accurate at a specific magnification (almost always max power).

One of the earliest BDC put into service by a military is very interesting, and it is still better than many of the "advanced" BDC reticles offered now despite being fielded by our commy "friends" in the far east. Check out the PSO-1.

 

[eich]

After a long wait I just got the PA 1x8 Raptor FFP scope mounted on my Geissele Super Duty. Its as close to a true 1X as I've seen so I think its gonna be good as a red dot and its clear as hell at 8X. Looking forward to getting it out for a spin. I think you could do alot worse for alot more money..

 

[big green chopper]

I have been thinking of trying one of those myself. Does it say where it is made?

 

[Stay_Shmackin]

I have been thinking of trying one of those myself. Does it say where it is made?

I can check on mine when I'm back home, but I believe their Platinum series is made in Japan (in the same factory as some much more expensive brands). The rest of their stuff is made in China from what I can remember.

 

[Jcann]

After going back and forth and coming to the conclusion of what I really need and what its intended purposes would be I decided to step up and buy a Vortex Gen II-E 1-6x24. Naturally glass clarity is very good and the red dot is daylight bright. I'm probably more conservative than most when using a 223 in a hunting situation so the 6x shouldn't be a limiting factor. Personally, I wouldn't pick a LPVO for CQB if my life depended on it but the 1x gives me the option for playing around with paper/steel up close when having fun with my buddies.

 

[BadKarma]

When it comes to optics, glass quality, repeatability, durability, light gathering, etc,
Save your money and buy once, cry once. Vortex, Nightforce etc are
well worth the money in the long run. IMHO