Michigan pushes right-to-work measure(24th state in the nation to adopt R-T-W)

[11b1776]

And what you are not telling is that they are FORCED to join the union even if they do not want to, but you are right. I am anti-union. I have seen them do very little good and a lot of harm. Things like this do not help matters either.

You should try putting up both statements not just what the company put out! :d

Of course they are gonna say we gave them the shirts off our backs, once again you will just blindly post anything instead of being fair and unbiased. Just like hostess, we need everyone to take a pay cut and pay more for health care, but what I'm not telling you is the CEO just got a 300% increase in pay because he did a great job the last 2 years of running the company in the ground...

 

[11b1776]

Michigan successfully passed Right to Work yesterday.

IMO it won't matter. Unions are so strong in that state that all they'd have to do to effectively kill RTW there is to refuse to use parts made by non-union shops, deliver to non-union businesses etc.

Add to that the union thugs who will physically and mentally harass those that choose to exercise their right not to join the union and your typical blue collar worker won't have any choice but to join.

Yup you hear everyday about some union thug taking a bat to a nonunion worker because they won't join the union...

 

[Old Fart]

Appears it may be to late for Detroit.....
http://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?158006-Detroit-planning-backruptcy

 

[Vamoose]

Good for them. Maybe someday the dock workers will get the message.

And this us what really upsets the union bosses,

RickN, you must have had some kind of horrible personal experience with a union or unions.

 

[SMS]

If this is what unions are about, I'm glad I've never been around them. Based on what I have seen during the 6 weeks I've been here, a good crew from TX and/or OK would definitely work circles around these folks.

Ditto. I never had much experience with unions until after I retired from the military. Now, working at the FAA, we can join the union or not. I can emphatically state that nearly every single lazy dirt bag I have encountered in OKC and at airports around the country were union. They spend more time worrying about what the bargaining agreement says they have to do than worrying about getting the job done. They can get the job done 8 times out of 10, but only if it falls within the parameters set out by the union.

That being said, I should love unions because they are one of the biggest reasons I have a job. That's right. I dig ditches, run conduit, drive machines, tear buildings apart, work with high voltage, lift heavy stuff, and work 6 days a week. All things that your FAA technicians in the field once did. Back in the day, if one of their facilities was deteriorating, they put on gloves and got to work. Now the bargaining agreement says they can't get that dirty so, viola!, SMS gets a job travelling around the country doing the work that healthy men and women used to do for themselves....and you guys foot the bill for my overtime, travel costs and per diem.

Every time we go somewhere to do a job and interact with local utility folks, airport employees, crane operators etc...we always get a confused "you guys are FAA?" because they are so accustomed to the unionized field techs sitting on their ass watching people work.

That sure doesn't condemn all unions, and I know there are hard working folks in some unions, but it's not encouraging and it doesn't get me all fired up to join one.

 

[criticalbass]

Every management has the union it deserves.

 

[11b1776]

Every management has the union it deserves.

I don't think that's a true statement either, UAW for example has/had it a lot better than anyone should have. But that's IMO. YMMV

 

[elwoodtrix]

Every management has the union it deserves.

nice...

 

[elwoodtrix]

Add to that the union thugs who will physically and mentally harass those that choose to exercise their right not to join the union and your typical blue collar worker won't have any choice but to join.

hey man.. it's 2012

 

[dennishoddy]

RickN, you must have had some kind of horrible personal experience with a union or unions.

He is not alone. I was a non-union truck driver in the teamsters truckers strike in the 70's. Our company was not union, but the thug with the shotgun across his lap convinced me to park my truck and call dispatch for a ride to a motel, and finally a bus ride home while my semi sat on the side of the road in Indiana.

The Refinery in Ponca had a major strike in the 70's, with shootings that were investigated by the FBI after some crossed the line and went back to work over a nickle, with some union workers spending some time in jail until they had to let them go for lack of evidence. "Stars" thrown around all of the entrances and overpasses in the area, and the list goes on.
I don't have a good touchy-feely for the unions either.

BTW if anybody wants to know why the steel industry failed, its totally the unions and non-funded pension plans.
Japan automated the steel industry in their country, while the unions fought to retain the bessemer style of steel production. Japan could produce a ton of steel with one worker, the US steel worker took 30, offered early retirement, and we all know what happens then.

GM is another prime example in current times.

The service worker union is another current example of thugs that sent people to tea party town hall meetings, to intimidate the attendants.
So, Yeah, nothing has changed.