Michigan pushes right-to-work measure(24th state in the nation to adopt R-T-W)

[Lone Wolf '49]

He is not alone. I was a non-union truck driver in the teamsters truckers strike in the 70's. Our company was not union, but the thug with the shotgun across his lap convinced me to park my truck and call dispatch for a ride to a motel, and finally a bus ride home while my semi sat on the side of the road in Indiana.

The Refinery in Ponca had a major strike in the 70's, with shootings that were investigated by the FBI after some crossed the line and went back to work over a nickle, with some union workers spending some time in jail until they had to let them go for lack of evidence. "Stars" thrown around all of the entrances and overpasses in the area, and the list goes on.
I don't have a good touchy-feely for the unions either.

BTW if anybody wants to know why the steel industry failed, its totally the unions and non-funded pension plans.
Japan automated the steel industry in their country, while the unions fought to retain the bessemer style of steel production. Japan could produce a ton of steel with one worker, the US steel worker took 30, offered early retirement, and we all know what happens then.

GM is another prime example in current times.

The service worker union is another current example of thugs that sent people to tea party town hall meetings, to intimidate the attendants.
So, Yeah, nothing has changed.

THank you, Dennis, my exact feelings.

 

[Vamoose]

Are you suggesting the Union is to thank for his check? I thought the fact he is providing a service, he gets paid. Isn't the saying a days work for a days pay? Are only union workers suppose to get paid?

I thought the emoticon and the word "though" made it pretty clear what I meant.

Take deep breaths, close your eyes, lean your head back and think peaceful thoughts.

 

[POKE1911]

That what happens when you elect pro business legislators to state government super majorities. Workers rights will erode, wages will be supressed and the middle class will grow smaller.

Until a union comes in and demand salaries benefits and pensions that erode the profitability and sustainability of the organization, which forces organizations to move operations abroad or outsource operations entirely, taking more jobs from said middle class.

 

[JesseR]

Take deep breaths, close your eyes, lean your head back and think peaceful thoughts.

I'm always in my Zen place...

 

[twoguns?]

You are either retired or taking a day off because you are doing the same. Please say you are not a union working sitting around surfing the net? Say it aint so!

For you information, I'm self-employed and only answer to the boss... ME!

Im not calling Anyone out , just thought the statement was rather....Bold.
And Yes Ive worked Many a Union job, if you dont like whats getting done or how or in a timely manner, F'n Call them on it.
Make them give you a schedule and a manpower report, its quite Simple if you Know how to run a job.
I just dont care for upper management making the Labor look bad because of their , Incompetance.
Congrats on being your own Boss, its a Great thing, its just that not everyone is cut out to run a company.
Somebody' gotta do the Work.....LOL

. Oh Me , I'm on my lunch , I'm a Mechanical Inspector

 

[twoguns?]

Until a union comes in and demand salaries benefits and pensions that erode the profitability and sustainability of the organization, which forces organizations to move operations abroad or outsource operations entirely, taking more jobs from said middle class.

They are going to do that anyway, so the ceo's can get a bonus./
Do you get weekends off? If you do you can thank the Unions
Insurance
Vacations
sick leave
Yep , The Unions
safe workplaces and sanitary conditions
Information between management and workers on equal standings, Yep
Right to work has nothing to do with rights or working, its about paying less.


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RickN,My condolences to you and your Friend. I Pray he got better

 

[Peace_Maker]

When the union started to come into our plant in '94, the company started a misinformation campaign like none other. When that wasn't working, they started threatening employees. We got the union anyway, and life was seriously better. I only have that experience to draw from, but I can say without hesitation, that it's better to be able to address your boss with a problem having a written set of rules you BOTH have to follow, than to have production floor dictators. I have yet to understand how a CEO can get a huge bonus as the company claims they have to lay off workers, and it's the unions fault. Who was the CEO that signed the contract? If he agreed to terms that would financially hurt the company why isn't HE accaountable, not just the union?

Funny how Toyota, Hyundai, etc. can come to the US build plants in RTW states and thrive with no unions, if what you say is true we would be hearing how horrible these factories are and how the workers are barely getting by on such low wages. The truth is the unions are killing the big three hence the bailouts and shifting as much production to china and mexico. I'm just making a guess here but I'd imagine a non union Toyota plant is just as safe a place to work as a union gm plant.

 

[SMS]

They are going to do that anyway, so the ceo's can get a bonus./
Do you get weekends off? If you do you can thank the Unions
Insurance
Vacations
sick leave
Yep , The Unions
safe workplaces and sanitary conditions
Information between management and workers on equal standings, Yep

Some or all of that may be true...but if it is true, they shouldn't be afraid of voluntary membership. Pure and simple.

Unions should be a product...compete and win by quality of product, not by force of law.

 

[POKE1911]

Right to work has nothing to do with rights or working, its about paying less.

Actually it is not about paying less. It's actually about the right to fire. Too many good companies are filled with bad employees that they can't fire because of the unions.

Paying less? Maybe paying less than what the unions want. The unions push to pay employees more than their worth. Why is that Nissan, Kia, Honda, and Toyota all have successful manufacturing operations in the United States? Because they build their facility in Right to Work states. They don't want unions to drive the cost of labor.

According to the Wall Street Journal in September of 2006, “on average, GM pays $81.18 an hour in wages and benefits to its U.S. hourly workers.”

To drive a few bolts are you kidding me?

 

[11b1776]

Y'all should really read the right to work laws...

Right to work allows non union members to get all the benefits of the paying member, BY LAW, the union has to give non union all the benefits, has to fight for nonunion personal just like they are union. I'm not afraid of voluntary membership, change the law to where they are members and have union, or are not members and don't have what the unions have fought for over the years, they have whatever the company wants to give them, vacation, wages, healthcare, all of it. When they are in trouble no union representation, they are on there own.