Right to work has nothing to do with right to fire, they try to fire a nonunion in a union plant the union BY LAW has to step in and represent that employee.
Michigan pushes right-to-work measure(24th state in the nation to adopt R-T-W)
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That is right to work...
I agree , the force of law is to make the ceo's negotiate on the same level as the unions, the many speak better than just a few .
And those wages , by necessity have to be paid
WRONG, Ok is an at will hire state always has been, its about the non dues paying members getting the same deal as the dues paying.
Its kinda like putting an attorney on retainer (oh the horror of that statement) and then everyone else getting to use them.
.Misquoted numbers, I assure NOONE in the unions makes anything near that amount.
As far as the non workers , it is a little harder to get some of them out, but they are the last hired and the first let go.
And you have that in all work places, i.e. the brother-in-law that the wifey wont let you fire.
And Why should the ceo's make all the money and bonuses?
The United States of America (A Union) was built on the backs of labor, not someone sitting behind a desk (no offence intended , we need them too)
Very well said, and I concur
Most of the "benefits" are now codified in federal and state labor laws. The union doesn't 'give them' and you can't take them away just because at one time in the past they were born from union action. I agree that if I am not a member of the union I shouldn't get union representation if I have a management issue. I have had management issues and, since I am not a union member, I didn't go to the union even though people told me to. I worked it out myself. It's an integrity thing. If I see my union doing more than negotiating mandatory leave the day after Thanksgiving and union leaders doing more than playing dominos during the duty day, I might join.
The central issue, despite all the "benefit" talk, is still mandatory membership and dues. Everything else is subordinate to that....no one who calls themselves a conservative or libertarian can support mandatory union membership as a condition of employment in a chosen profession.
Like someone said, where are the horror stories from all the states with RTW now?
What bennies? Just about everything you listed earlier is now protected by federal and state labor laws/agencies...not the union.
Here's a good read: http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=511
..and another one: http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/11/24/a_weekend_history_lesson/
True it eventually evolved into what it is today, and I'm sure there was more than just the unions that made it better.
Now with obamacare, insurance abounds(right?) it didnt used to.
The benes that I appreciated the most was the "Contract" which drew out what each side was to do( rules if you like).
One of my favorite parts was ( to show up To provide 8 hrs of work). 10 hrs days we all have to agree ( on the same job)
Breaks.... well it pretty much eliminates those , Unless you take 30 min for lunch and work from 7-4 ,it works both ways.
Used correctly it is the watchdog between those who dont negotiate well, and those that will take advantage.
Its not for everyone, but everyone should have a chance at it.
The other was the 4 years of school, paid for by the Journeymen, free to those becoming more educated.
Think about what 4 years of college would cost, and what on the average a person would be making when they graduate, with a great deal of debt.
When you graduate from the union school, the union will pay for you to go to school , while working.
Engineer, Draftsman ,Safety Officer as long as it pertains to your trade.
Pass the class and its paid for.
Not a bad deal , huh
So your sitting there telling me that the goberment has a law that states what I am to be payed, how much vacation time I get, how much I pay in copays, deductibles, what percent my insurance pays vs what I pay, my pension plan, etc, etc. No sir my company and union negotiate, agree, and then sign a contract that is supposed to be honored by both party's, not the government. So yes the union doesn't "give" them, but they dang sure negotiated them.
To me mandatory membership isn't the problem, with RTW they have just flipped it around for "free riders".
RTW anyway you slice is there to try to bust/bankrupt unions, bottom line. It counts on people always wanting something for nothing. No one joins and they still get everything, because the unions are bound by the law.
FYI, I rather enjoy the OSA forum and tend to "peruse" and sometimes even "post" - even when I take a break at work. I didn't post my résumé to gain "creditability" with you. I listed it in an attempt to allow readers to know where I was coming from, (as I stated), and to explain that even though I had no previous experience with unions, I was neither for nor against them. I then went on to explain what I HAVE experienced over the past 6 weeks. Sorry to hurt your little unionized feelings in the process.
I bet you don't think twice about cashing those paychecks though.
Stay safe Biker.
Pay checks are GREAT! That's what got me up here!
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